Hurling 2024

Started by seafoid, January 01, 2023, 08:24:25 PM

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seafoid

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
Losing this year's final  really hurt Kilkenny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc5AJWQ9s8

The nature of the defeat will sting in Kilkenny.

Outfought and outthought , physically they were dominated, tactically naive and outhurled skill wise.

That could have never been said when they were in their pomp, still fresh in the minds of most Kilkenny supporters.

They know they're a bit short of that Limerick team, but so is everyone else.


seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
Losing this year's final  really hurt Kilkenny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc5AJWQ9s8

The nature of the defeat will sting in Kilkenny.

Outfought and outthought , physically they were dominated, tactically naive and outhurled skill wise.

That could have never been said when they were in their pomp, still fresh in the minds of most Kilkenny supporters.

They know they're a bit short of that Limerick team, but so is everyone else.
It was worse than last year. A 2 point defeat would have been ok but this was awful for them.
They would have been better off losing Leinster. It's going to be a long winter in Bennetsbridge
It's amazing that Huw Lawlor has no all Ireland medal. .
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2023, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
Losing this year's final  really hurt Kilkenny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc5AJWQ9s8

The nature of the defeat will sting in Kilkenny.

Outfought and outthought , physically they were dominated, tactically naive and outhurled skill wise.

That could have never been said when they were in their pomp, still fresh in the minds of most Kilkenny supporters.

They know they're a bit short of that Limerick team, but so is everyone else.
It was worse than last year. A 2 point defeat would have been ok but this was awful for them.
They would have been better off losing Leinster. It's going to be a long winter in Bennetsbridge
It's amazing that Huw Lawlor has no all Ireland medal. .

2015 is their last win, going into their 9th year without a win and being beat in their last 4 AI final appearances will hurt a team who's ability to win finals is what used to get them apart.

The manner with which Limerick went up through the gears in the second half and tore them asunder should be a concern to everyone, not just Kilkenny, The Limerick juggernaut shows no sign of abating.

They were also without Sean Finn and Deccy Hannon FFS!

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2023, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
Losing this year's final  really hurt Kilkenny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc5AJWQ9s8

The nature of the defeat will sting in Kilkenny.

Outfought and outthought , physically they were dominated, tactically naive and outhurled skill wise.

That could have never been said when they were in their pomp, still fresh in the minds of most Kilkenny supporters.

They know they're a bit short of that Limerick team, but so is everyone else.
It was worse than last year. A 2 point defeat would have been ok but this was awful for them.
They would have been better off losing Leinster. It's going to be a long winter in Bennetsbridge
It's amazing that Huw Lawlor has no all Ireland medal. .

2015 is their last win, going into their 9th year without a win and being beat in their last 4 AI final appearances will hurt a team who's ability to win finals is what used to get them apart.

The manner with which Limerick went up through the gears in the second half and tore them asunder should be a concern to everyone, not just Kilkenny, The Limerick juggernaut shows no sign of abating.

They were also without Sean Finn and Deccy Hannon FFS!
The final was the same as the semi final. Same physicality afterburners to wipe out the opposition. It's hard to feel sorry for Kilkenny but they really got tangoed and losing a final is the worst match to lose.

Between 1963 and 1983 Kilkenny won 8 all Irelands. Afterwards they went into a 9 year slump with no all Irelands.
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"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU




seafoid

Shocking . Does not look like hurling. Obviously no love lost between Tipp and Galway at ground level.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Ash Smoker

Can Galway keep brushing serious incidents like this under the carpet?
In the past there wasn't so many cameras and social media, so when Joe Canning was stamped in the face in 2006 it wasn't captured. When Johnny Maher went on the rampage about 10 years ago there was a bit more coverage but I think he still got away with it.


seafoid

Maybe not with social media. The worst incident I can remember happened earlier, in 1990. √Čanna Ryan was laid out cold by a brutal  blow to the head from a Turloughmore player. Ryan had a serious head injury.  It was feared that he would never play hurling again. He recovered slowly. 8 years later he came on as a sub in a game against Kinvara.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: mouview on July 24, 2023, 10:06:22 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 24, 2023, 06:34:49 PM
Mouview I think you are being a bit harsh on Kilkenny there.

Not at all. Galway get plenty of stick whenever they lose a match, let some other county suffer the same hysterical analysis for doing the same.
That's a journalism problem. they only focus on the latest information. Same as the All stars.
Kilkenny and Galway are on the same level ie not good enough on the second half S&C afterburners. The Leinster final showed that there is nothing between them.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 26, 2023, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2023, 08:50:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 24, 2023, 08:32:50 PM
I hate to break it to you but Galway have plenty of beasts in there too. They do plenty of strength and conditioning. They just don't do it as well and probably don't have hurlers of the same level.
None of the other teams are anywhere near Limerick's S&Clevel
We don't know how the others would perform hurlingwise because we never had a  level s&C.

S&C had very little to do with Peter Casey's 5 points, (barring the shrug off on Mikey Butler), he'd white chalk on his boots for three of them, now from a Galway perspective who could you trust to do the same for them?

Conor Cooney would put over a worldy one minute and then miss an easy chance the next, he'd have put at best two of those over, Niland needs space, Casey was well chaperoned on three of those points and still got them over, Whelan, who I rate highly BTW would also have put at least two of those wide, Cathal O'Neill comes on and puts over one of the best points of the day while being closed in tight to the sideline on the Cusack stand side of the ground.

That is the difference between Limerick and the chasing pack, when the pressure comes on their shooting averages are far higher than anyone else.

Limericks one weakness is in dealing with high ball in on their fullback line, Kilkenny, Galway and Clare got joy from those, but couldn't sustain the effort to get the ball into positions to allow good ball to get in their.

Is TJ done?   He's now moreso a playmaker, some of his passes yesterday in the second half would have resulted in good goal chances, one due to a slip and the other to a lad just getting it all wrong after that. It will be interesting if he goes another year, I can't see another Leinster title being enough to satisfy him, but we'll know more when Ballyhale exit the club championship (or win it again)..

Casey has the facility to score points from acute angles and while seemingly being tightly marked. Limerick were freaky in their purple patch on Sunday though as everything they hit, wind-aided, went over the bar. As a team they've frequently had the propensity to hit a lot of wides in a match however, yes, even under pressure. E.g. 2018 AI final, 2023 league final, both Clare matches this year etc. Maybe the key to beating them is not to start well, like Galway and Kilkenny did in their games, but to tread water for as long as possible and then hammer the hammer by finishing strongly.
They would have to mirror Limerick's S&C. They would probably need to find a few new players. Does Evan Ferguson have any Galway links?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:11:44 AM
Quote from: mouview on July 26, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 26, 2023, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2023, 08:50:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 24, 2023, 08:32:50 PM
I hate to break it to you but Galway have plenty of beasts in there too. They do plenty of strength and conditioning. They just don't do it as well and probably don't have hurlers of the same level.
None of the other teams are anywhere near Limerick's S&Clevel
We don't know how the others would perform hurlingwise because we never had a  level s&C.

S&C had very little to do with Peter Casey's 5 points, (barring the shrug off on Mikey Butler), he'd white chalk on his boots for three of them, now from a Galway perspective who could you trust to do the same for them?

Conor Cooney would put over a worldy one minute and then miss an easy chance the next, he'd have put at best two of those over, Niland needs space, Casey was well chaperoned on three of those points and still got them over, Whelan, who I rate highly BTW would also have put at least two of those wide, Cathal O'Neill comes on and puts over one of the best points of the day while being closed in tight to the sideline on the Cusack stand side of the ground.

That is the difference between Limerick and the chasing pack, when the pressure comes on their shooting averages are far higher than anyone else.

Limericks one weakness is in dealing with high ball in on their fullback line, Kilkenny, Galway and Clare got joy from those, but couldn't sustain the effort to get the ball into positions to allow good ball to get in their.

Is TJ done?   He's now moreso a playmaker, some of his passes yesterday in the second half would have resulted in good goal chances, one due to a slip and the other to a lad just getting it all wrong after that. It will be interesting if he goes another year, I can't see another Leinster title being enough to satisfy him, but we'll know more when Ballyhale exit the club championship (or win it again)..

Casey has the facility to score points from acute angles and while seemingly being tightly marked. Limerick were freaky in their purple patch on Sunday though as everything they hit, wind-aided, went over the bar. As a team they've frequently had the propensity to hit a lot of wides in a match however, yes, even under pressure. E.g. 2018 AI final, 2023 league final, both Clare matches this year etc. Maybe the key to beating them is not to start well, like Galway and Kilkenny did in their games, but to tread water for as long as possible and then hammer the hammer by finishing strongly.
They would have to mirror Limerick's S&C. They would probably need to find a few new players. Does Evan Ferguson have any Galway links?

I'm not sure Evan Ferguson would last long if Kyle Hayes lined him up with a shoulder  ;D

marty34

All the talk of S&C is all well and good and it makes a difference but Limerick hurlers are just brilliant hurlers. Full of ability, skill and game management.

That's the difference.

Barry Nash can man mark but come up the park and hit a score.  It doesn't matter.  Hayes can play half forward or half-back.  Hannon out - no problem. Put WOD, a mid-fielder, in there. No issues.

They all seemlessly fit into a game of 5-a-side type hurling.

They are just brilliant hurlers.  Each and every one of them.