The US policing crisis thread

[foxcommander]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Very tragic. Poor girl.

4 words from you on the subject. Is that it?
You'd have more to say if it was a drug dealer shot by a cop. We'd be hearing the #'s bleating away.

Of course, as usual, you have absolutely nothing to support that statement.

Yes I do - the likes of Michael Brown got massive coverage.

If the shooter was the one who got shot I'm sure there would have been a different narrative.
Certain movements would have been non-stop on all media outlets.
The hashtag crew would have been out in force as well as Al and Jesse. Go on - say it ain't so.

[J70]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Very tragic. Poor girl.

4 words from you on the subject. Is that it?
You'd have more to say if it was a drug dealer shot by a cop. We'd be hearing the #'s bleating away.

Of course, as usual, you have absolutely nothing to support that statement.

Yes I do - the likes of Michael Brown got massive coverage.

If the shooter was the one who got shot I'm sure there would have been a different narrative.
Certain movements would have been non-stop on all media outlets.
The hashtag crew would have been out in force as well as Al and Jesse. Go on - say it ain't so.

And the Michael Brown coverage has WHAT exactly to do with what I post here?

As for the rest, please tell how exactly an armed man, who had already killed his wife, being shot by police could have been spun into another "police kill unarmed black man" case?

[foxcommander]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Very tragic. Poor girl.

4 words from you on the subject. Is that it?
You'd have more to say if it was a drug dealer shot by a cop. We'd be hearing the #'s bleating away.

Of course, as usual, you have absolutely nothing to support that statement.

Yes I do - the likes of Michael Brown got massive coverage.

If the shooter was the one who got shot I'm sure there would have been a different narrative.
Certain movements would have been non-stop on all media outlets.
The hashtag crew would have been out in force as well as Al and Jesse. Go on - say it ain't so.

And the Michael Brown coverage has WHAT exactly to do with what I post here?

As for the rest, please tell how exactly an armed man, who had already killed his wife, being shot by police could have been spun into another "police kill unarmed black man" case?

Depends how CNN and MSNBC want to spin it. They do it quite well to rile the masses.

[J70]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Very tragic. Poor girl.

4 words from you on the subject. Is that it?
You'd have more to say if it was a drug dealer shot by a cop. We'd be hearing the #'s bleating away.

Of course, as usual, you have absolutely nothing to support that statement.

Yes I do - the likes of Michael Brown got massive coverage.

If the shooter was the one who got shot I'm sure there would have been a different narrative.
Certain movements would have been non-stop on all media outlets.
The hashtag crew would have been out in force as well as Al and Jesse. Go on - say it ain't so.

And the Michael Brown coverage has WHAT exactly to do with what I post here?

As for the rest, please tell how exactly an armed man, who had already killed his wife, being shot by police could have been spun into another "police kill unarmed black man" case?

Depends how CNN and MSNBC want to spin it. They do it quite well to rile the masses.

Well given that armed black people are shot by the cops every day, what are they waiting for?

I've seen quite a few news stories about this case, even on local NYC news, and, without exception, they talked about the tweet and photo of the police woman being sworn in, told to stay safe, and then dying the following day.

You are the only one who is trying to put a political spin on what appears to be an open and shut case of a young rookie cop being murdered (and two colleagues shot) by a disturbed, dangerous, armed man who had just murdered his wife after she'd called the cops for help.

[muppet]

To anyone with an ounce of intelligence, the death of a police officer who was killed while on duty, is a tragedy and a very serious crime.

Equally to anyone with an ounce of intelligence a police officer overreacting and shooting dead an unarmed person is also a tragedy and, depending on the circumstance, may also be a crime.

To insist that you must be for one or the other event above it's patently stupid, yet this is the argument made by many in the US and a handful on here. This is anti-intellectualism at its worst and most divisive. But despite it showing the person making the argument in a very dim light, they still make it. The mind boggles.

[stew]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Very tragic. Poor girl.

4 words from you on the subject. Is that it?
You'd have more to say if it was a drug dealer shot by a cop. We'd be hearing the #'s bleating away.

Of course, as usual, you have absolutely nothing to support that statement.

Yes I do - the likes of Michael Brown got massive coverage.

If the shooter was the one who got shot I'm sure there would have been a different narrative.
Certain movements would have been non-stop on all media outlets.
The hashtag crew would have been out in force as well as Al and Jesse. Go on - say it ain't so.

Awful news about this young woman, I hope Eamonnica has plenty to say on the subject.

Al was too busy f**king around leading a gaggle of idiots who were upset because no black millionaire was picked for best actor/actress, Jada Pickett Smith threw a hussy fit because her hubby willy did not get the nod to compete for the Oscar, these entitled liberal arsewipes are so arrogant it is staggsubject.Sharpton and Jackson are two haters, they cherry pick their causes, where were they when the child in Chicago got killed or when the coos got killed a month ago, they were nowhere, media whores both.

[stew]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Very tragic. Poor girl.

4 words from you on the subject. Is that it?
You'd have more to say if it was a drug dealer shot by a cop. We'd be hearing the #'s bleating away.

That is four words more than 99.99% of the members of this board bothered to post.

[jimmyd41]

To anyone with an ounce of intelligence, the death of a police officer who was killed while on duty, is a tragedy and a very serious crime.

Equally to anyone with an ounce of intelligence a police officer overreacting and shooting dead an unarmed person is also a tragedy and, depending on the circumstance, may also be a crime.

To insist that you must be for one or the other event above it's patently stupid, yet this is the argument made by many in the US and a handful on here. This is anti-intellectualism at its worst and most divisive. But despite it showing the person making the argument in a very dim light, they still make it. The mind boggles.

Fine sentiments however I think the point is proportionality.

Lets be clear. A police officer shooting an unarmed citizen SHOULD receive more attention than the shooting of an officer however the complete lack of proportionality between two such incidents is what grates. There is no doubt that extremely powerful forces are driving the coverage of one over the other.

[screenexile]

Of course it's a horrible situation nobody is saying it isn't. How can we remedy such a problem?? Well improve treatment of mental health and stop guns would be two ways... But you lads aren't too interested in those types of ideas.

The reason why an unarmed black guy getting shot by police gets more attention than this is because it's not supposed to happen. Police aren't supposed to shoot unarmed citizens. How anyone can try and equate the to situations is beyond me!

What's more worrying is the fact that you right wing lunatics are more interested in getting other people's opinions on the matter than actually talking about how such situations could be avoided. It's a shame that the right have butchered the US political system to such an extent that many find it more beneficial to exploit situations to suit their own political agenda rather than talk or seek actions as to how we can prevent these things from happening in the first place!!

But sure go and call out another poster for not saying enough about it that will solve everything!!

[J70]

To anyone with an ounce of intelligence, the death of a police officer who was killed while on duty, is a tragedy and a very serious crime.

Equally to anyone with an ounce of intelligence a police officer overreacting and shooting dead an unarmed person is also a tragedy and, depending on the circumstance, may also be a crime.

To insist that you must be for one or the other event above it's patently stupid, yet this is the argument made by many in the US and a handful on here. This is anti-intellectualism at its worst and most divisive. But despite it showing the person making the argument in a very dim light, they still make it. The mind boggles.

Nuance doesn't work with a certain political mindset. It's the "you're either for or against us" thing. If you want police held accountable for mistakes or misconduct, that means you must hate the police. If you accept that the police policies and conduct have played their part in fostering hostility and suspicion among the black community over the decades, then you must hate the police. If you accept that society in general has an uneasy relationship, to say the least, with black males, and that this may thus be brought to bear in police/black male interactions, then you hate the police. If you sympathize with black people who talk about having "the talk" with their growing sons, you must hate the police.

In reality, of course, most sensible people realise that, as with any profession, there are good and bad cops. There are good and bad leaders making police policy. And these cops have a tremendously tough job in a lot of these neighbourhoods, where the long existing suspicion makes their work amidst social deprivation and broken families even harder, with the "snitches end up in ditches" gang atmosphere compounding the problems (a friend of mine is an ex-cop, and has spoken about people in housing projects approaching him on the quiet, thanking him for his work, but making sure no one saw them talking to him). And, of course, a lot of times a cop has a fraction of a second in which to make a decision when confronted with a potentially dangerous situation. Its not a split-second decision I would personally like to have to make.

But that does not mean that the misconduct and criminal cases should not be prosecuted, and training of police improved (the Asian cop in Brooklyn recently, while I feel a bit sorry for him, WTF was he doing that he ended up discharging his gun blindly into a dark stairwell?). And while some may resent Black Lives Matter and the attention some of these killings have gotten lately partly due to mobile phone videos, one does have to wonder how many were swept under the carpet in the years and decades gone by and the role that those played in current relations? Its fifty years since the Black Panthers rose in response to police brutality in Oakland after all.

[heganboy]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Would you not expect to hear from the US army? Or is that a melanin level comment, again...

[Eamonnca1]

To anyone with an ounce of intelligence, the death of a police officer who was killed while on duty, is a tragedy and a very serious crime.

Equally to anyone with an ounce of intelligence a police officer overreacting and shooting dead an unarmed person is also a tragedy and, depending on the circumstance, may also be a crime.

To insist that you must be for one or the other event above it's patently stupid, yet this is the argument made by many in the US and a handful on here. This is anti-intellectualism at its worst and most divisive. But despite it showing the person making the argument in a very dim light, they still make it. The mind boggles.

Nuance doesn't work with a certain political mindset. It's the "you're either for or against us" thing. If you want police held accountable for mistakes or misconduct, that means you must hate the police. If you accept that the police policies and conduct have played their part in fostering hostility and suspicion among the black community over the decades, then you must hate the police. If you accept that society in general has an uneasy relationship, to say the least, with black males, and that this may thus be brought to bear in police/black male interactions, then you hate the police. If you sympathize with black people who talk about having "the talk" with their growing sons, you must hate the police.

In reality, of course, most sensible people realise that, as with any profession, there are good and bad cops. There are good and bad leaders making police policy. And these cops have a tremendously tough job in a lot of these neighbourhoods, where the long existing suspicion makes their work amidst social deprivation and broken families even harder, with the "snitches end up in ditches" gang atmosphere compounding the problems (a friend of mine is an ex-cop, and has spoken about people in housing projects approaching him on the quiet, thanking him for his work, but making sure no one saw them talking to him). And, of course, a lot of times a cop has a fraction of a second in which to make a decision when confronted with a potentially dangerous situation. Its not a split-second decision I would personally like to have to make.

But that does not mean that the misconduct and criminal cases should not be prosecuted, and training of police improved (the Asian cop in Brooklyn recently, while I feel a bit sorry for him, WTF was he doing that he ended up discharging his gun blindly into a dark stairwell?). And while some may resent Black Lives Matter and the attention some of these killings have gotten lately partly due to mobile phone videos, one does have to wonder how many were swept under the carpet in the years and decades gone by and the role that those played in current relations? Its fifty years since the Black Panthers rose in response to police brutality in Oakland after all.

Pretty much. Conservatives don't do nuance. Always with them it's all or nothing. No room for shades of grey between hating the cops and worshipping at the porcine altar.

[Kickham csc]

Of course it's a horrible situation nobody is saying it isn't. How can we remedy such a problem?? Well improve treatment of mental health and stop guns would be two ways... But you lads aren't too interested in those types of ideas.

The reason why an unarmed black guy getting shot by police gets more attention than this is because it's not supposed to happen. Police aren't supposed to shoot unarmed citizens. How anyone can try and equate the to situations is beyond me!

What's more worrying is the fact that you right wing lunatics are more interested in getting other people's opinions on the matter than actually talking about how such situations could be avoided. It's a shame that the right have butchered the US political system to such an extent that many find it more beneficial to exploit situations to suit their own political agenda rather than talk or seek actions as to how we can prevent these things from happening in the first place!!

But sure go and call out another poster for not saying enough about it that will solve everything!!

You got it half right. Both the left and right exploit these issues without a real effort to address the root cause.The left don't really come up with solutions, and their political strategy is to exploit these issues to maximize the black votes.

For example, poor education performance in poor areas seems to be a major causal issue, yet time and time again, Democrats support the status quo in support of teacher unions, instead of other strategies that might improve the issue (De Blasio NYC).

Speaking of De Blasio, after Eric Garner died, he stated in a press conference that it was a disgrace that a man should die over selling loose ciggies (a trivial crime), and blamed the NYPD on pursuing the sellers of loose ciggies. He never mentioned that the prosecution of loose ciggie sellers was a top priority to the NYC and NY state due to significant income tax loss, and instructed the NYPD to come up with a strategy to ensure prosecutions .

One year on and the prosecution of selling of loose ciggies is still a high priority for NYC, and the NYPD are still aggressively pursuing sellers. What's changed. Nothing.

On the right, there is a fear game being played, but a refusal to do anything about gun control.

Both sides are just playing the game

[J70]

Of course it's a horrible situation nobody is saying it isn't. How can we remedy such a problem?? Well improve treatment of mental health and stop guns would be two ways... But you lads aren't too interested in those types of ideas.

The reason why an unarmed black guy getting shot by police gets more attention than this is because it's not supposed to happen. Police aren't supposed to shoot unarmed citizens. How anyone can try and equate the to situations is beyond me!

What's more worrying is the fact that you right wing lunatics are more interested in getting other people's opinions on the matter than actually talking about how such situations could be avoided. It's a shame that the right have butchered the US political system to such an extent that many find it more beneficial to exploit situations to suit their own political agenda rather than talk or seek actions as to how we can prevent these things from happening in the first place!!

But sure go and call out another poster for not saying enough about it that will solve everything!!

You got it half right. Both the left and right exploit these issues without a real effort to address the root cause.The left don't really come up with solutions, and their political strategy is to exploit these issues to maximize the black votes.

For example, poor education performance in poor areas seems to be a major causal issue, yet time and time again, Democrats support the status quo in support of teacher unions, instead of other strategies that might improve the issue (De Blasio NYC).

Speaking of De Blasio, after Eric Garner died, he stated in a press conference that it was a disgrace that a man should die over selling loose ciggies (a trivial crime), and blamed the NYPD on pursuing the sellers of loose ciggies. He never mentioned that the prosecution of loose ciggie sellers was a top priority to the NYC and NY state due to significant income tax loss, and instructed the NYPD to come up with a strategy to ensure prosecutions .

One year on and the prosecution of selling of loose ciggies is still a high priority for NYC, and the NYPD are still aggressively pursuing sellers. What's changed. Nothing.

On the right, there is a fear game being played, but a refusal to do anything about gun control.

Both sides are just playing the game

You can focus on smuggling without using lethal, illegal tactics to apprehend the resultant street level petty criminal.

But yes, politicians will usually try to exploit or cover their arse.

[Keyser soze]

First day on the job as well. No comment from Al or Jesse as yet.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rookie-killed-day-job-virginia-shooting-article-1.2546227

Very tragic. Poor girl.

4 words from you on the subject. Is that it?
You'd have more to say if it was a drug dealer shot by a cop. We'd be hearing the #'s bleating away.

It was 4 more words of empathy and commiseration than you managed u arsewipe.