McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[Reillers]

I'd like to publically apologise to Reillers for any cheapshot posts.

Ya as would I like to publicly apologise to Heffo.

[The GAA]

Let them have O'Grady. They'll still win no All-Ireland and at least then there'll be no excuses. Well no hiding place, I'm sure they'll find some excuses.

Is there a thought in there somewhere that O'Grady may be the best man for the job?

[Galwaybhoy]

Let them have O'Grady. They'll still win no All-Ireland and at least then there'll be no excuses. Well no hiding place, I'm sure they'll find some excuses.

So when the bickering and bitching and attacks on the players stop, you have to come in and say that, are you that much of a wum or are you that desperate for attention? I'm sure you could co bitch on bebo or facebook or something, whatever it is you're using.

In fairness Reillers, do ye really think ye have a good enough team to win an All-Ireland?  I dont think ye do, and it dosent matter who the manager is.  I would see Cork (with the 08 players) fighting it out for number 2 in Munster with Waterford.

[Reillers]

It's irrelevant, Magpie Seanie is just trying to stirr things up with snide remarks like that after it's all calmed down.

I would like it very much if this topic could be kept pleasant, as in no bitching and personal attacks on players/posters/and ya even CB execs and such. I'm willing to stop the bitching, snide remarks and insults if everyone else is.

[dowling]

If we don't know the content or timing of any possible statement then i don't see how we can draw any conclusions.

disappointing as it is for you dowling could you holdoff on this latest players' character assasination for the time being?

I think you'll find GAA that reillers was the one straight in with the assasination of the CB.


All I'm doing is highlighting the differences between what the 2008 panel say and what they do.

We want Gerald gone but don't want to pick the manager. But we want Donal.

We want Gerald gone but Frank needs sorted. Gerald goes and it's how's it going Frank.

This is for the good of Cork. Well there is no action there at all.

We've nothing against Gerald but no ones going to his mother's funeral, right!

Death threats and abuse directed against Gerald. Panel statement of condemnation and calling on people to pull back? No need for that.

2007/2008 Yea we can sign up to the Mulvey agreement.   2008/2009 No we don't like the Mulvey agreement and will be adandoning it.

As for Donal OGrady. He was on the radio and when asked said he wasn't after the Cork job. When further asked about being a stand in manager for the time being he said he might consider it but he further said he thought Jimmy Barry was the man for the job.
Then surprise surprise Ga rings the county chairman to say Donal's the man they want. Are we to believe that the 2008 panel's leaders weren't in touch with Donal in between times? And thus trying to determine the outcome of last night's meeting. Of course some might say what's the big deal about that. Nothing really except that we were all lead to believe by the 2008 panel that everything was now in the hands of the clubs.


The behaviour of the leaders of this panel has been consistently duplicitious and without integrity.

Now there are people who believe the panel's way is the right one and that's up to them.
But unless you're one of them at least be honest with yourself and recognise the panel have no interest in addressing anything other than their own concerns. Have your snipes at me if you want but it does nothing for your arguments.

[heffo]

Let them have O'Grady. They'll still win no All-Ireland and at least then there'll be no excuses. Well no hiding place, I'm sure they'll find some excuses.

So when the bickering and bitching and attacks on the players stop, you have to come in and say that, are you that much of a wum or are you that desperate for attention? I'm sure you could co bitch on bebo or facebook or something, whatever it is you're using.

I would see Cork (with the 08 players) fighting it out for number 2 in Munster with Waterford.

What about Tipp?

[INDIANA]

I don't see the point in making an interim appointment, I mean whats in it for any manager to take it on for 2/3 games. Why not get an outside man. With all due respects O Grady is too close to the scene and has said too much in the papers to be involved with the current county board. (Thats me pointing someting out Reillers not abusing people) Plenty of quality choices outside the county. Managerial quality is not exclusive to Cork. An independent voice with no baggage.

[Reillers]

Let them have O'Grady. They'll still win no All-Ireland and at least then there'll be no excuses. Well no hiding place, I'm sure they'll find some excuses.

So when the bickering and bitching and attacks on the players stop, you have to come in and say that, are you that much of a wum or are you that desperate for attention? I'm sure you could co bitch on bebo or facebook or something, whatever it is you're using.

I would see Cork (with the 08 players) fighting it out for number 2 in Munster with Waterford.

What about Tipp?

Tipp being the number 1 I presume is what he meant.

[heffo]

Let them have O'Grady. They'll still win no All-Ireland and at least then there'll be no excuses. Well no hiding place, I'm sure they'll find some excuses.

So when the bickering and bitching and attacks on the players stop, you have to come in and say that, are you that much of a wum or are you that desperate for attention? I'm sure you could co bitch on bebo or facebook or something, whatever it is you're using.

I would see Cork (with the 08 players) fighting it out for number 2 in Munster with Waterford.

What about Tipp?

Tipp being the number 1 I presume is what he meant.

I see that now.

[Bud Wiser]

With regard to whether John Gardiner made a statement or not I repeated what was said on RTE News/Sport at 7.30am this morning which was "before the vote was taken John Gardiner a spokesman for the players issued a statement that their preference for manager was Donal O'Grady"  The reporter did not say whether he issued it by carrier pigeon, by bush elegraph or if he issued a statement to RTE. Thats what was said on RTE full stop.The fact that it was said at all is the issue, so stand back for a minute and ask how you would feel if you were John Considine today ?   Even if Considine was to forget about the 2008 panel how do you think he will now retain the respect of the U21's, although I am sure the young lads will not let him down.  I think it was a shocking statement to make and all the more shocking that he has now to manage a team that have already said they would prefer if he was not the manager.  The rules of the GAA as we knew them are finished, or at least finished in Cork as regards who pcks a team, what control the manager has etc.

Incidently, RTE did an independent poll on the affair by asking was Gerald McCarthy right to resign.  Even I though he was right to resign in the end and most very one would have thought the same but those in favour of his resignation on the RTE website are only 52% so just for once, can the pro-2008 players cop on to the fact that it is not a situation where ye and the rest of the world are right and one or two posters on here are wrong along with Frank Murphy.  Anyway, it doesn't mtter because ye have destroyed the GAA and as I said before ye should be all banned for at least two years.

[Galwaybhoy]

Let them have O'Grady. They'll still win no All-Ireland and at least then there'll be no excuses. Well no hiding place, I'm sure they'll find some excuses.

So when the bickering and bitching and attacks on the players stop, you have to come in and say that, are you that much of a wum or are you that desperate for attention? I'm sure you could co bitch on bebo or facebook or something, whatever it is you're using.

I would see Cork (with the 08 players) fighting it out for number 2 in Munster with Waterford.

What about Tipp?

Yeah I would rank them no.1 in Munster at this moment, thats why I said itmwould be a close call between Waterford and Cork for second best imo.

[Reillers]

I don't see the point in making an interim appointment, I mean whats in it for any manager to take it on for 2/3 games. Why not get an outside man. With all due respects O Grady is too close to the scene and has said too much in the papers to be involved with the current county board. (Thats me pointing someting out Reillers not abusing people) Plenty of quality choices outside the county. Managerial quality is not exclusive to Cork. An independent voice with no baggage.

The only reason I want O Grady is because he's so bloody good at what he does. He can see things like no one else can, everything is so, perfectly tuned under him.
Corcoran's first day back training after he came out of retirement, and O Grady looked at him and told him, after 20 odd years that he was holding the hurley wrong and that he wanted him to change it, he couldn't care less about old habbits.

I know this team and this team know it as well despite what ye may think that they are the force the were, but they want to have the best chance at at least trying to compete at the top level.
Do you know that McCarthy had a much better squad then Allen did.
I bet you didn't. But he failed to even blood players truley, that would have shined. He did things like play Sully Og completly out of position in training, a position he'd never played in before in his life. That is a sin. Sully Og has so much potential I don't even know where to begin with him.
There are a hell lot of players that are just there waiting to be brought in.
I mean if O Grady was there he could get the best out of Naughton, the way he cut threwTipp like they were butter in the first half last season was no fluke.
He could get the best out of them, out of the young players, out of some of the fantastic squad players we have.
He could bring back Wayne Sherlock for Christ sake.
Now I'm not saying he could win us an AI but the difference he would make, lightyears apart from anyone else.

Now he's an excellent manager and he made himself available but he was told no because he said it how it was in the paper, now I'd have no problem at all if someone better from outside the county came along, but who, the only one in my book who could be rated better then O Grady is Cody, and something tells me he's allready employed.

While Considine, in fairness he's a reasonable reputation as a coach but with the selectors: Daly, Ring and Cashman, they're all hand picked by FM.

They're not going away, Fm and co that is, the CB are still trying to screw the players over.

O Grady was the obvious, best choice, and they gave him a slap in the face and the players a bloody nose. The players gave their input which I think they should be entitled to, and they just went the other way completly, and surprise surprise, with a large majority landslide vote, but this way, the secret ballot, very smart call by the Cb, now the clubs can't see which way their delegate voted.

I have no problem with Considine, even though he made a complete hash of the U21s last season, wouldn't rely on him to make the motivating speeches looking at his track record, the U21s should have won the entire thing imo last season, they just stopped trying in one of the most disgraceful preformances from a very skilled team against Clare in Munster, the fact that too many players were involved with the senior team isn't good enough. IF he goes back to the U21s he should have a very decent strong squad this year, so should the minors as well, who had the same problem with motivation as the U21s did, they just didn't seem to want it enough, that's what you get for having an excuse for a youth structure.

I honestly wish him well though and the players said before that they've no problem working with him. I just think he was put in there by the CB for the wrong reasons, not because he was the best, but because he wasn't O Grady. And that's not fair on him tbh.

I ask again though, can we leave the bitching and snide remarks out, ignoring those who continue to stirr, who are only interested in stirring shite and looking for attention, and just get on with the game.

[The GAA]

Incidently, RTE did an independent poll on the affair by asking was Gerald McCarthy right to resign.  Even I though he was right to resign in the end and most very one would have thought the same but those in favour of his resignation on the RTE website are only 52% so just for once, can the pro-2008 players cop on to the fact that it is not a situation where ye and the rest of the world are right and one or two posters on here are wrong along with Frank Murphy.  Anyway, it doesn't mtter because ye have destroyed the GAA and as I said before ye should be all banned for at least two years.

Keeping things in perspective as usual i see bud

[The GAA]

Let them have O'Grady. They'll still win no All-Ireland and at least then there'll be no excuses. Well no hiding place, I'm sure they'll find some excuses.

So when the bickering and bitching and attacks on the players stop, you have to come in and say that, are you that much of a wum or are you that desperate for attention? I'm sure you could co bitch on bebo or facebook or something, whatever it is you're using.

I would see Cork (with the 08 players) fighting it out for number 2 in Munster with Waterford.

What about Tipp?

Yeah I would rank them no.1 in Munster at this moment, thats why I said itmwould be a close call between Waterford and Cork for second best imo.

That's a fair assessment i'd say though the munster championship promises to be very closely fought.

[dowling]

john considine new manager   just announced on rte

Would have prefered Donal O Grady myself but there wasn't a chance in hell the Cb were going to bring him back.

Considine and co in charge for the League games, he's had a terrible record, wouldn't have been my first pick at all.

Donal O'Grady would have been the better choice but no doubt seen as too close to the players for the liking of the CCB.

Here we are yet again back to where we started.

The delegates are now on a lead from their clubs and it's clear now that they will make things as hard as they possibly can for the players and when it comes to decisions like Considine or O Grady, they will vote for whichever the players were prefer least.

I don't see the point in making an interim appointment, I mean whats in it for any manager to take it on for 2/3 games. Why not get an outside man. With all due respects O Grady is too close to the scene and has said too much in the papers to be involved with the current county board. (Thats me pointing someting out Reillers not abusing people) Plenty of quality choices outside the county. Managerial quality is not exclusive to Cork. An independent voice with no baggage.

The only reason I want O Grady is because he's so bloody good at what he does. He can see things like no one else can, everything is so, perfectly tuned under him.
Corcoran's first day back training after he came out of retirement, and O Grady looked at him and told him, after 20 odd years that he was holding the hurley wrong and that he wanted him to change it, he couldn't care less about old habbits.

I know this team and this team know it as well despite what ye may think that they are the force the were, but they want to have the best chance at at least trying to compete at the top level.
Do you know that McCarthy had a much better squad then Allen did.
I bet you didn't. But he failed to even blood players truley, that would have shined. He did things like play Sully Og completly out of position in training, a position he'd never played in before in his life. That is a sin. Sully Og has so much potential I don't even know where to begin with him.
There are a hell lot of players that are just there waiting to be brought in.
I mean if O Grady was there he could get the best out of Naughton, the way he cut threwTipp like they were butter in the first half last season was no fluke.
He could get the best out of them, out of the young players, out of some of the fantastic squad players we have.
He could bring back Wayne Sherlock for Christ sake.
Now I'm not saying he could win us an AI but the difference he would make, lightyears apart from anyone else.

Now he's an excellent manager and he made himself available but he was told no because he said it how it was in the paper, now I'd have no problem at all if someone better from outside the county came along, but who, the only one in my book who could be rated better then O Grady is Cody, and something tells me he's allready employed.

While Considine, in fairness he's a reasonable reputation as a coach but with the selectors: Daly, Ring and Cashman, they're all hand picked by FM.

They're not going away, Fm and co that is, the CB are still trying to screw the players over.

O Grady was the obvious, best choice, and they gave him a slap in the face and the players a bloody nose. The players gave their input which I think they should be entitled to, and they just went the other way completly, and surprise surprise, with a large majority landslide vote, but this way, the secret ballot, very smart call by the Cb, now the clubs can't see which way their delegate voted.

I have no problem with Considine, even though he made a hash of the U21s last season who should have won the entire thing imo, the fact that too many players were involved with the senior team isn't good enough.
I honestly wish him well and the players said before that they've no problem working with him. I just think he was put in there by the CB for the wrong reasons, not because he was the best, but because he wasn't O Grady. And that's not fair on him tbh.

I ask again though, can we leave the bitching and snide remarks out, ignoring those who continue to stirr, who are only interested in stirring shite and looking for attention, and just get on with the game.

Get on with the game Reillers? Read your highlighted remarks, you're still having cheap shots and it was you who first made the new manager an issue.

If you're asking people, "don't do what I do do what I say" well....

Have the mods been on to you and heffo?