The Old Derry / Londonderry name problem

[Roger]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

Ireland is a British isle whether you like it or not and you don't have to be born on the island of Great Britain to be British.  The President of the Republic of Ireland is also on  record as stating that the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Even more confused than I thought. You are British,and fair play to ya. British people have a long ancestral trail on the Island of Ireland. Irish however,You are not.

A case of 'people who think like me got here before you so we're the real Irish'? Who was here before you? Talk about a dinasauric view of identity.  I thought unionists were meant to be the backward lookers.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Ireland is a British isle whether you like it or not and you don't have to be born on the island of Great Britain to be British.

Just as you don't have to be born in Germany to be German.

Ireland will be around when Londonderry, the OO and the whole sad sick sectarian NI province will be viewed in the same light as East Germany and Biafra.

Rightyho.

Meanwhile, I hope you and your family make the most of your life.

Your right there, I can't see full Irish Independence for at least another 25 years at the earliest.

In your dreams will it be fully independent or actually dependent on an even bigger place than the UK ie Europe?

To be honest I wouldn't mind Ireland of 32 counties being a State within the United Republics of Europe. I would have European Federalist tendancies myself. End a bad Union created by Invasion, War, Slavery, Famine, Sectariansim, Murder, Colonisation, Rape of Culture & Lanuage with a good one. No problem being in the same Union as the Island to our East but seperate states in the same Europe.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

Ireland is a British isle whether you like it or not and you don't have to be born on the island of Great Britain to be British.  The President of the Republic of Ireland is also on  record as stating that the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Even more confused than I thought. You are British,and fair play to ya. British people have a long ancestral trail on the Island of Ireland. Irish however,You are not.

A case of 'people who think like me got here before you so we're the real Irish'? Who was here before you? Talk about a dinasauric view of identity.  I thought unionists were meant to be the backward lookers.

Most historians agree that the Vikings where the first Invasion that did not try to assimilate when they arrived, however they and the Old English figured it out after a generation or two, but from the Tudors on the visitors couldn't learn to behave properly in someone elses house.

[boojangles]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

Ireland is a British isle whether you like it or not and you don't have to be born on the island of Great Britain to be British.  The President of the Republic of Ireland is also on  record as stating that the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Even more confused than I thought. You are British,and fair play to ya. British people have a long ancestral trail on the Island of Ireland. Irish however,You are not.

A case of 'people who think like me got here before you so we're the real Irish'? Who was here before you? Talk about a dinasauric view of identity.  I thought unionists were meant to be the backward lookers.

Yes Roger Im backward looking. But you are confused.You call yourself Irish but British foremost.You also think you live on a British Island.Unless the wee statelet has been detatched from the rest of Ireland then you are wrong Sir.
Il tell ya who was here before me-My ancestors and their ancestors and their ancestors and their ancestors and their ancestors and their ancestors and their ancestors and I could keep going on.You however.

[lynchbhoy]

think its a case of 'he doth protest too much' !
poor old roger, sees the end of the union and his britishness going down the swannee in the next few years. 


the whole london derry thing is a laugh.
Simple really, all the other counties were named after their main towns as mentioned before (Antrim, Dublin, Cork, Galway etc etc) and as they were going to rename the county to Derry, they (planters or whoever) just nipped in and stuck in the 'Londons' in front.
Interesting story of it being sold to the london company.
Anyhow the real name will revert back to Derry without the prefix soon enough!

[Olaf]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

The Good Friday Agreement is oft quoted in these parts.

It explicitly provides for what you describe as the brown stuff , should the person feel so inclined.  I think you'll find about 1 million of these type of persons  knocking about Northern Ireland.

This principle was accepted by the vast majority of Nationalist people in Northern Ireland at the time who presumably didn't find it all that confusing .

[boojangles]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

The Good Friday Agreement is oft quoted in these parts.

It explicitly provides for what you describe as the brown stuff , should the person feel so inclined.  I think you'll find about 1 million of these type of persons  knocking about Northern Ireland.

This principle was accepted by the vast majority of Nationalist people in Northern Ireland at the time who presumably didn't find it all that confusing .

Dress it up anyway you want but behind it all the Million? people you refer to are British. Irish people don't believe in the Union and don't want the Union.Simple.

[Roger]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

The Good Friday Agreement is oft quoted in these parts.

It explicitly provides for what you describe as the brown stuff , should the person feel so inclined.  I think you'll find about 1 million of these type of persons  knocking about Northern Ireland.

This principle was accepted by the vast majority of Nationalist people in Northern Ireland at the time who presumably didn't find it all that confusing .

Dress it up anyway you want but behind it all the Million? people you refer to are British. Irish people don't believe in the Union and don't want the Union.Simple.

I'm not sure if that is just arrogance or plain old blinkered bigotry.

[Olaf]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

The Good Friday Agreement is oft quoted in these parts.

It explicitly provides for what you describe as the brown stuff , should the person feel so inclined.  I think you'll find about 1 million of these type of persons  knocking about Northern Ireland.

This principle was accepted by the vast majority of Nationalist people in Northern Ireland at the time who presumably didn't find it all that confusing .

Dress it up anyway you want but behind it all the Million? people you refer to are British. Irish people don't believe in the Union and don't want the Union.Simple.

It's not dressed up at all and no its not simple or else ths discussion wouldn't be taking place .It was agreed that insofar as identity is concerned in Northern Ireland  each and every person could identify themselves as Irish, British or both.

It is therefore incorrect to say that all (my words) Irish people don't believe in the Union.

[boojangles]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

The Good Friday Agreement is oft quoted in these parts.

It explicitly provides for what you describe as the brown stuff , should the person feel so inclined.  I think you'll find about 1 million of these type of persons  knocking about Northern Ireland.

This principle was accepted by the vast majority of Nationalist people in Northern Ireland at the time who presumably didn't find it all that confusing .

Dress it up anyway you want but behind it all the Million? people you refer to are British. Irish people don't believe in the Union and don't want the Union.Simple.

I'm not sure if that is just arrogance or plain old blinkered bigotry.

I think going on your views on the Nelson thread,You would be the best judge if whats bigotry. Wise Up will ya,times have changed and the days of Double Standards can no longer be tolerated. Unionists cannot have their cake and eat it.

[Olaf]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

The Good Friday Agreement is oft quoted in these parts.

It explicitly provides for what you describe as the brown stuff , should the person feel so inclined.  I think you'll find about 1 million of these type of persons  knocking about Northern Ireland.

This principle was accepted by the vast majority of Nationalist people in Northern Ireland at the time who presumably didn't find it all that confusing .

Dress it up anyway you want but behind it all the Million? people you refer to are British. Irish people don't believe in the Union and don't want the Union.Simple.

I'm not sure if that is just arrogance or plain old blinkered bigotry.

I think going on your views on the Nelson thread,You would be the best judge if whats bigotry. Wise Up will ya,times have changed and the days of Double Standards can no longer be tolerated. Unionists cannot have their cake and eat it.

What do you mean by this?

If it refers to the ability of Unionists to legitimately refer to themselves  as Irish and British those days are here .

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Where did the Irish Isles thread dissapear to?

[Roger]

You are of purest Gaelic blood?

I imagine not, who is? Whatever blood I have and whereever those ancestors came from, I now identify with Ireland and not the places they came from.

I am British first and foremost with the distinction of beng born in Ireland from a line of people born in Ireland dating back hundreds of years and am proud to be Irish.

Stop talking nonsense, if you are proud to be Irish then how could you be British first and foremost.

Because they are not mutually exclusive identities and you can therefore value one identity as having more significance to you than the other should you so wish.

Mutually exclusive identities-Such shite. Proud to be Irish but British first and foremost. Confused or what?

The Good Friday Agreement is oft quoted in these parts.

It explicitly provides for what you describe as the brown stuff , should the person feel so inclined.  I think you'll find about 1 million of these type of persons  knocking about Northern Ireland.

This principle was accepted by the vast majority of Nationalist people in Northern Ireland at the time who presumably didn't find it all that confusing .

Dress it up anyway you want but behind it all the Million? people you refer to are British. Irish people don't believe in the Union and don't want the Union.Simple.

I'm not sure if that is just arrogance or plain old blinkered bigotry.

I think going on your views on the Nelson thread,You would be the best judge if whats bigotry. Wise Up will ya,times have changed and the days of Double Standards can no longer be tolerated. Unionists cannot have their cake and eat it.

Sorry pal but you can't cling to some outdated inaccurate stereotype to bluster this away.  Things have indeed moved on and only a complete bigot or fascist would come out with a view that says how people should think for them to be considered Irish. 

[Main Street]

Undeniably, a Klu Klux Klanner would have the right to consider themselves American.

[Roger]

Undeniably, a Klu Klux Klanner would have the right to consider themselves American.

Meaning?