The far right

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Genocide Organ

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Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2026, 09:35:46 PMAFD the far right German version of Reform won the election in Saxony Anhalt today

They have the same policies as Reform and tney are pro Kremlin and pro Israel.

"Won" is correct, but an understatement.

"Pro-Israel" is very debatable.

Wildweasel74

Pro kremlin, thought them lads be gearing up for a run Against communism.

Genocide Organ

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 06, 2026, 10:12:26 PMPro kremlin, thought them lads be gearing up for a run Against communism.

Don't let nostalgia get the better of you: today's Russia is not communist.

seafoid

Quote from: Genocide Organ on September 06, 2026, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2026, 09:35:46 PMAFD the far right German version of Reform won the election in Saxony Anhalt today

They have the same policies as Reform and tney are pro Kremlin and pro Israel.

"Won" is correct, but an understatement.

"Pro-Israel" is very debatable.
Reform is pro Israel
https://x.com/KerryBurgess/status/2047523340965859695

The far right dude in Hungary is pro Israel

Bardella in France with LePen is pro Israel.

Genocide Organ

Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2026, 02:34:52 AM
Quote from: Genocide Organ on September 06, 2026, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2026, 09:35:46 PMAFD the far right German version of Reform won the election in Saxony Anhalt today

They have the same policies as Reform and tney are pro Kremlin and pro Israel.

"Won" is correct, but an understatement.

"Pro-Israel" is very debatable.
Reform is pro Israel
https://x.com/KerryBurgess/status/2047523340965859695

The far right dude in Hungary is pro Israel

Bardella in France with LePen is pro Israel.

The "far-right dude in Hungary"? You mean Orban?

Yeah, I know Reform is, and I think it's a mistake. It seems they've probably got a certain amount of Jewish funding. Leaves them compromised, in my book. I suppose the Jews are worried about Islam in Europe - and in general! - even though a certain segment of them encouraged it. Sort of ironic!

But AfD and the Jews is mixed, to say the least. Sure, they don't love Islam either, but that doesn't make them 'pro-Israel'.

seafoid

Quote from: Genocide Organ on September 07, 2026, 07:48:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2026, 02:34:52 AM
Quote from: Genocide Organ on September 06, 2026, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2026, 09:35:46 PMAFD the far right German version of Reform won the election in Saxony Anhalt today

They have the same policies as Reform and tney are pro Kremlin and pro Israel.

"Won" is correct, but an understatement.

"Pro-Israel" is very debatable.
Reform is pro Israel
https://x.com/KerryBurgess/status/2047523340965859695

The far right dude in Hungary is pro Israel

Bardella in France with LePen is pro Israel.

The "far-right dude in Hungary"? You mean Orban?

Yeah, I know Reform is, and I think it's a mistake. It seems they've probably got a certain amount of Jewish funding. Leaves them compromised, in my book. I suppose the Jews are worried about Islam in Europe - and in general! - even though a certain segment of them encouraged it. Sort of ironic!

But AfD and the Jews is mixed, to say the least. Sure, they don't love Islam either, but that doesn't make them 'pro-Israel'.
I think they like Zionism because the Zionists are powerful.
But there must be an alliance between the far right and the Zionists.

The zionists hate the EU.


https://www.ft.com/content/7e389a94-707f-4bce-b091-251503d40b8e

Attempts to freeze Israel out of the programme, along with the wider EU association agreement, have failed due to opposition from governments including Germany and Hungary.

seafoid

https://www.ft.com/content/06f51592-d259-4f53-b74c-31279414674d?syn-25a6b1a6=1

 But the huge surge in support for the Alternative for Germany party in Saxony-Anhalt on Sunday is truly an event of global significance. The AfD's Saxony branch has been classified as rightwing extremist by Germany's domestic intelligence services. Some in the party flirt with Nazi imagery and slogans. Nonetheless, the governments of Russia and the US — two nations that take great pride in their role in defeating Nazism — are applauding its rise. Vladimir Putin's circle had been eagerly anticipating an AfD breakthrough in the Saxony-Anhalt elections. Last month, Kirill Dmitriev, a key Russian intermediary with the Trump administration, posted excitedly on X: "Germany Awakens on September sixth". Both the language and the date of that post seemed significant. "Germany Awake" was a Nazi slogan. Dmitriev's post appeared on August 23 — the anniversary of the signing of the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Perhaps that was just an unfortunate coincidence. Perhaps not. Either way, Russia has concrete reasons to support the AfD. The party is campaigning to end German aid to Ukraine, restore economic ties with Russia and an increase in Russian-language teaching in German schools. One of its senior officials in Saxony-Anhalt was discomfited when reporters spotted a Russian army mug in his office. As well as being a cheerleader for the AfD, Dmitriev is a key linkman between the Kremlin and the White House. He was one of five principals seated round the table in Moscow on Saturday as Putin received Steve Witkoff, Trump's peace emissary. Like the Kremlin, the Trump administration has flirted energetically with the German far right. At the Munich Security Conference last year, JD Vance, the US vice-president, met Alice Weidel, the leader of the AfD — while pointedly not finding time to meet Olaf Scholz, Germany's then chancellor. The US national security strategy published late last year claimed that Europe faces "civilizational erasure" — in large part because of its tolerance of mass migration. There is no doubt that Angela Merkel, Germany's then chancellor, badly mishandled the 2015 refugee crisis. (And, yes, I wrote that at the time.) The surge in migration played a big role in driving up the AfD's support. Party officials now campaign for "remigration" — a usefully ambiguous term that could mean anything from deporting illegal immigrants to attempting to expel all German citizens with an immigrant background. Far-right and anti-immigrant parties have already entered governments elsewhere in Europe — including Austria and the Netherlands. But the history and size of Germany give its political trajectory a special significance. The memory of Nazism means that Germany's mainstream parties remain absolutely determined to maintain a "firewall" against the AfD — and not to go into coalition with the far right. That firewall may be about to crack in Saxony-Anhalt, where the AfD fell just three seats short of an absolute majority. Even if it holds, by forming a grand coalition, excluding a political party that got 44 per cent of the vote, over 25 per cent more than its nearest rivals, the CDU, is morally and practically difficult. The AfD's nationwide support is significantly below its level in Saxony-Anhalt. But it nonetheless regularly tops polls. Even if the traditional centre parties continue to prop up the firewall, they may start adopting AfD-lite policies on issues such as migration, the EU or the war in Ukraine. Any such development could shake the continent. German rearmament is a signature policy of Chancellor Friedrich Merz's government and critical to European efforts to deter Russia. But the rise of a Russia-friendly party may ultimately throw it into question. The resurgence of a nationalist party in Germany could also pose profound questions for the EU. The AfD, for example, has pledged to pull out of the single European currency — and potentially out of the EU itself. Any possible disintegration of the EU would be welcomed in Russia and the Trump White House. But it would be greeted with dismay by liberal democracies outside Europe — such as Canada and Japan — that look to the EU to counterbalance the nationalism and power politics of Russia, China and a Trump-led America. The worst-case scenarios now have to be considered. But they are far from inevitable. Despite the confident predictions of Weidel that Merz will be out of power by the end of the year, the AfD is still a considerable way from achieving national power. Indeed for all the interest that the party is currently generating, the biggest story in European politics in the coming year is likely to be France — not Germany. The Rassemblement National looks poised for victory in next year's French presidential election — with Marine Le Pen, the party's standard-bearer, currently leading in opinion polls. Le Pen has done a lot to try and moderate her image and has repudiated the AfD's talk of "remigration" and its revisionist statements about Nazism. But she too has a history of friendliness towards America's Maga movement and towards Russia. The rise of the AfD is an extraordinary story. But Putin and Trump's most immediate hope for changing Europe still lies in France, not Germany.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Genocide Organ on September 07, 2026, 07:48:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2026, 02:34:52 AM
Quote from: Genocide Organ on September 06, 2026, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2026, 09:35:46 PMAFD the far right German version of Reform won the election in Saxony Anhalt today

They have the same policies as Reform and tney are pro Kremlin and pro Israel.

"Won" is correct, but an understatement.

"Pro-Israel" is very debatable.
Reform is pro Israel
https://x.com/KerryBurgess/status/2047523340965859695

The far right dude in Hungary is pro Israel

Bardella in France with LePen is pro Israel.

The "far-right dude in Hungary"? You mean Orban?

Yeah, I know Reform is, and I think it's a mistake. It seems they've probably got a certain amount of Jewish funding. Leaves them compromised, in my book. I suppose the Jews are worried about Islam in Europe - and in general! - even though a certain segment of them encouraged it. Sort of ironic!

But AfD and the Jews is mixed, to say the least. Sure, they don't love Islam either, but that doesn't make them 'pro-Israel'.
Being pro Israel makes them pro Israel.

JollyGreenGiant

The AFD are a good example of the far right being sympathetic to Russia. Remarkably, they meet in the middle with the far left on the topic.

seafoid

Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on September 07, 2026, 02:06:10 PMThe AFD are a good example of the far right being sympathetic to Russia. Remarkably, they meet in the middle with the far left on the topic.
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Orban in Hungary is pro Russia.
Le Pen in France is pro Russia
Trump in the US is pro Russia


Trump welcomed the AFD result
They are all against the EU

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on September 07, 2026, 02:06:10 PMThe AFD are a good example of the far right being sympathetic to Russia. Remarkably, they meet in the middle with the far left on the topic.
The horseshoe theory bullshit.

The far left aren't pro Russia. They are opposed to helping Ukraine. It's schoolboy stuff, but not the same thing

johnnycool

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 06, 2026, 08:59:37 PMRaising the tax free allowance absolutely needs to happen.

If salaries aren't rising with the cost of living, then yes, something needs to be done to give workers more take home pay.

JollyGreenGiant

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 07, 2026, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on September 07, 2026, 02:06:10 PMThe AFD are a good example of the far right being sympathetic to Russia. Remarkably, they meet in the middle with the far left on the topic.
The horseshoe theory bullshit.

The far left aren't pro Russia. They are opposed to helping Ukraine. It's schoolboy stuff, but not the same thing

I don't buy that. It's misty-eyed Cold War nostalgia that has required the creation of a narrative that ranges from "understanding" the Russian invasion to outright supporting it.

If a person is opposed to helping Ukraine, they are by proxy supportive of Russia. That is easy to reason, as the question remains, what if help to Ukraine is cut off?


seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on September 07, 2026, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 06, 2026, 08:59:37 PMRaising the tax free allowance absolutely needs to happen.

If salaries aren't rising with the cost of living, then yes, something needs to be done to give workers more take home pay.
Fixing that allowance would cost 9 billion GBP .
 Burnham looked at it but the UK can't afford it.

The UK has stagflation. Inflation is higher than growth. Living standards are falling but the Government can't do anything.

Rational Unionists should be looking at this wondering if it makes sense to be loyal.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on September 07, 2026, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 07, 2026, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: JollyGreenGiant on September 07, 2026, 02:06:10 PMThe AFD are a good example of the far right being sympathetic to Russia. Remarkably, they meet in the middle with the far left on the topic.
The horseshoe theory bullshit.

The far left aren't pro Russia. They are opposed to helping Ukraine. It's schoolboy stuff, but not the same thing

I don't buy that. It's misty-eyed Cold War nostalgia that has required the creation of a narrative that ranges from "understanding" the Russian invasion to outright supporting it.

If a person is opposed to helping Ukraine, they are by proxy supportive of Russia. That is easy to reason, as the question remains, what if help to Ukraine is cut off?


But the right aren't proxy supporters. They are bought and paid for supporters