Man Utd Thread:

[square_ball]

I mean you'd think they would have learned their lesson after Ole!

Who's next? Steve Bruce should really be given a go?

[AustinPowers]

So, what do we  reckon?

Gone by Christmas?

[Armagh18]

Whats the point? Another manager hung out to dry.

[toby47]

Experienced - Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinhio, Rangnick
Upcoming - Amorim, Carrick, Fletcher
Stop gap - Van Nistlerooy, Giggs


I just can't see where united go next, or what 'type' of manager they go for? They have tried everything from the most experienced, the up and coming, guys with 'United DNA' and everything in between. Not forgetting Ten Hag.

I think we all know for a fact Carrick isn't the man that an elite club need, but is there any point in sacking him either?

[Armagh18]

Experienced - Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinhio, Rangnick
Upcoming - Amorim, Carrick, Fletcher
Stop gap - Van Nistlerooy, Giggs


I just can't see where united go next, or what 'type' of manager they go for? They have tried everything from the most experienced, the up and coming, guys with 'United DNA' and everything in between. Not forgetting Ten Hag.

I think we all know for a fact Carrick isn't the man that an elite club need, but is there any point in sacking him either?

He wasn't backed properly in the summer, people crying out for Yoro and Heaven to get a chance over Maguire/Martinez learned last night why they haven't played together, needed a leader there especially with changing goalkeeper as well.

Zero pace, fitness or physicality from most of the team, S&C coaches need looking at. Bruno is a fantastic player but not a leader when the chips are down, Roy Keane there or any leader worth a damn and there would have been punches thrown in the dressing room after that shite. Heaven and Sesko were absolutely disgraceful.

 I like Carrick but just don't see the players fearing him like they would a top manager, Fergie would have had Zirkzee, Rashford, Dalot, Shaw etc gone years ago, not given the chance to stink the place up again and again.

[Onthe40]

you've nailed it on fitness
some of the Utd players were seriously shown up for lack of pace & fitness
how many times did Brighton out run them to balls and dispossess slow its players on the ball

Tielemans looks seriously out of shape

[clonian]

Experienced - Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinhio, Rangnick
Upcoming - Amorim, Carrick, Fletcher
Stop gap - Van Nistlerooy, Giggs


I just can't see where united go next, or what 'type' of manager they go for? They have tried everything from the most experienced, the up and coming, guys with 'United DNA' and everything in between. Not forgetting Ten Hag.

I think we all know for a fact Carrick isn't the man that an elite club need, but is there any point in sacking him either?

He wasn't backed properly in the summer, people crying out for Yoro and Heaven to get a chance over Maguire/Martinez learned last night why they haven't played together, needed a leader there especially with changing goalkeeper as well.

Zero pace, fitness or physicality from most of the team, S&C coaches need looking at. Bruno is a fantastic player but not a leader when the chips are down, Roy Keane there or any leader worth a damn and there would have been punches thrown in the dressing room after that shite. Heaven and Sesko were absolutely disgraceful.

 I like Carrick but just don't see the players fearing him like they would a top manager, Fergie would have had Zirkzee, Rashford, Dalot, Shaw etc gone years ago, not given the chance to stink the place up again and again.

We can all agree Amorim wasn't the right choice and his results were shite but he had that squad in much better shape than they are currently. There was a lot of talk after he went about brutal training sessions etc. They need a bit of that over the next few weeks or you're going to see another change in management.

One thing that has been a feature of Utd over all the managers mentioned is a lack of fitness or effort (maybe both) in certain games. You can give some players a pass at the minute with the world cup disturbing preseason etc but it's the same all the time.

I heard a comment yesterday that after Amorim talking shite after every game, Carrick's personality came across well but he was getting wins and the feeling was good. Now when things aren't going well that same interview style doesn't come across well.

[Armagh18]

Experienced - Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinhio, Rangnick
Upcoming - Amorim, Carrick, Fletcher
Stop gap - Van Nistlerooy, Giggs


I just can't see where united go next, or what 'type' of manager they go for? They have tried everything from the most experienced, the up and coming, guys with 'United DNA' and everything in between. Not forgetting Ten Hag.

I think we all know for a fact Carrick isn't the man that an elite club need, but is there any point in sacking him either?

He wasn't backed properly in the summer, people crying out for Yoro and Heaven to get a chance over Maguire/Martinez learned last night why they haven't played together, needed a leader there especially with changing goalkeeper as well.

Zero pace, fitness or physicality from most of the team, S&C coaches need looking at. Bruno is a fantastic player but not a leader when the chips are down, Roy Keane there or any leader worth a damn and there would have been punches thrown in the dressing room after that shite. Heaven and Sesko were absolutely disgraceful.

 I like Carrick but just don't see the players fearing him like they would a top manager, Fergie would have had Zirkzee, Rashford, Dalot, Shaw etc gone years ago, not given the chance to stink the place up again and again.

We can all agree Amorim wasn't the right choice and his results were shite but he had that squad in much better shape than they are currently. There was a lot of talk after he went about brutal training sessions etc. They need a bit of that over the next few weeks or you're going to see another change in management.

One thing that has been a feature of Utd over all the managers mentioned is a lack of fitness or effort (maybe both) in certain games. You can give some players a pass at the minute with the world cup disturbing preseason etc but it's the same all the time.

I heard a comment yesterday that after Amorim talking shite after every game, Carrick's personality came across well but he was getting wins and the feeling was good. Now when things aren't going well that same interview style doesn't come across well.

Problem is that they're going to be playing weekends and midweek now most weeks with champions league so not sure how you get the hard work done without impacting games, I know the world cup will have had an impact but all teams will have had players away for it, not really an excuse tbh.

[tiempo]

Roy Keane or Joachim Löw to the end of the season

[AustinPowers]

Experienced - Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinhio, Rangnick
Upcoming - Amorim, Carrick, Fletcher
Stop gap - Van Nistlerooy, Giggs


I just can't see where united go next, or what 'type' of manager they go for? They have tried everything from the most experienced, the up and coming, guys with 'United DNA' and everything in between. Not forgetting Ten Hag.

I think we all know for a fact Carrick isn't the man that an elite club need, but is there any point in sacking him either?

He wasn't backed properly in the summer, people crying out for Yoro and Heaven to get a chance over Maguire/Martinez learned last night why they haven't played together, needed a leader there especially with changing goalkeeper as well.

Zero pace, fitness or physicality from most of the team, S&C coaches need looking at. Bruno is a fantastic player but not a leader when the chips are down, Roy Keane there or any leader worth a damn and there would have been punches thrown in the dressing room after that shite. Heaven and Sesko were absolutely disgraceful.

 I like Carrick but just don't see the players fearing him like they would a top manager, Fergie would have had Zirkzee, Rashford, Dalot, Shaw etc gone years ago, not given the chance to stink the place up again and again.

They had players like Keane Hughes  Ince Bruce Cantona Schmeichel, Butt, Rooney  etc who  would get stuck in , stand up  and not get pushed around. Most teams were beaten before the match  because of that physicality, fear, intimidation. United have no players  with physicality . Are  there even  any out there? 

They have no players with game intelligence  either.  Rashford 10 years later, still runs with the head down  and still has no end  product.

It's a desperately poor squad.  None of them  are worth  watching , bar Bruno.  No doubt Carrick will get the road in the coming months if  results don't improve.  The board will  have to be seen to be  "doing something" , and Carrick will be the casualty just to keep the fans off  their backs.  Another man in, same cycle of  shite will continue.

[tiempo]

On the Liverpool drought era timeline Utd are now in the late Houllier era

13 years without a title, occasional cups used as evidence of progress, rebuild number 47 underway and the old dominance now something younger fans only know from YouTube

[Baile Brigín 2]

Roy Keane or Joachim Löw to the end of the season

If Roy Keane as manager is the answer, your question is wrong.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Experienced - Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinhio, Rangnick
Upcoming - Amorim, Carrick, Fletcher
Stop gap - Van Nistlerooy, Giggs


I just can't see where united go next, or what 'type' of manager they go for? They have tried everything from the most experienced, the up and coming, guys with 'United DNA' and everything in between. Not forgetting Ten Hag.

I think we all know for a fact Carrick isn't the man that an elite club need, but is there any point in sacking him either?

He wasn't backed properly in the summer, people crying out for Yoro and Heaven to get a chance over Maguire/Martinez learned last night why they haven't played together, needed a leader there especially with changing goalkeeper as well.

Zero pace, fitness or physicality from most of the team, S&C coaches need looking at. Bruno is a fantastic player but not a leader when the chips are down, Roy Keane there or any leader worth a damn and there would have been punches thrown in the dressing room after that shite. Heaven and Sesko were absolutely disgraceful.

 I like Carrick but just don't see the players fearing him like they would a top manager, Fergie would have had Zirkzee, Rashford, Dalot, Shaw etc gone years ago, not given the chance to stink the place up again and again.

They had players like Keane Hughes  Ince Bruce Cantona Schmeichel, Butt, Rooney  etc who  would get stuck in , stand up  and not get pushed around. Most teams were beaten before the match  because of that physicality, fear, intimidation. United have no players  with physicality . Are  there even  any out there? 

They have no players with game intelligence  either.  Rashford 10 years later, still runs with the head down  and still has no end  product.

It's a desperately poor squad.  None of them  are worth  watching , bar Bruno.  No doubt Carrick will get the road in the coming months if  results don't improve.  The board will  have to be seen to be  "doing something" , and Carrick will be the casualty just to keep the fans off  their backs.  Another man in, same cycle of  shite will continue.

Those players came in in phases over years.

The point remains that if Fergie got the job now he would be gone by Christmas. These things take time. Give a manager three years.

But modern soccer fans want instant gratification. Win now or out.

[tiempo]

There is no modern Fergie, the man beat Real Madrid in a European final with Aberdeen, he'd be backed a lot more than the other bluffers that have come and gone, he also had the backing of Bobby Charlton and others in the corridors of power, Utds biggest influencer now is G Nev, the thinking mans idiot

[AustinPowers]

Experienced - Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinhio, Rangnick
Upcoming - Amorim, Carrick, Fletcher
Stop gap - Van Nistlerooy, Giggs


I just can't see where united go next, or what 'type' of manager they go for? They have tried everything from the most experienced, the up and coming, guys with 'United DNA' and everything in between. Not forgetting Ten Hag.

I think we all know for a fact Carrick isn't the man that an elite club need, but is there any point in sacking him either?

He wasn't backed properly in the summer, people crying out for Yoro and Heaven to get a chance over Maguire/Martinez learned last night why they haven't played together, needed a leader there especially with changing goalkeeper as well.

Zero pace, fitness or physicality from most of the team, S&C coaches need looking at. Bruno is a fantastic player but not a leader when the chips are down, Roy Keane there or any leader worth a damn and there would have been punches thrown in the dressing room after that shite. Heaven and Sesko were absolutely disgraceful.

 I like Carrick but just don't see the players fearing him like they would a top manager, Fergie would have had Zirkzee, Rashford, Dalot, Shaw etc gone years ago, not given the chance to stink the place up again and again.

They had players like Keane Hughes  Ince Bruce Cantona Schmeichel, Butt, Rooney  etc who  would get stuck in , stand up  and not get pushed around. Most teams were beaten before the match  because of that physicality, fear, intimidation. United have no players  with physicality . Are  there even  any out there? 

They have no players with game intelligence  either.  Rashford 10 years later, still runs with the head down  and still has no end  product.

It's a desperately poor squad.  None of them  are worth  watching , bar Bruno.  No doubt Carrick will get the road in the coming months if  results don't improve.  The board will  have to be seen to be  "doing something" , and Carrick will be the casualty just to keep the fans off  their backs.  Another man in, same cycle of  shite will continue.

Those players came in in phases over years.

The point remains that if Fergie got the job now he would be gone by Christmas. These things take time. Give a manager three years.

But modern soccer fans want instant gratification. Win now or out.

Things do take time. But  it's taking a long  time too to  get rid of the likes of Dalot, Shaw, Maguire  etc. 

And I don't know how you can  build anything with the  quality of players brought in in recent times though.  Sancho, Garnacho, Antony the Jack Russell, absolute wasters.  Onana, De Ligt , Fred- no explanation needed.

As for Zirkzee, Christ almighty. Every time I see him , I think it  might as well be  a high as a kite  Afroman  in there. The worst I've ever seen