Man Utd Thread:

[Gaafan2]

I'll never really understand United fans' obsessive dismay at the Glazers taking money out of the club.

They've bankrolled a series of managers and have matched the salaries of any club in the world. This doesn't make them generous of course, but f**k me just how much money does a club need to spend before success should be inevitable? Would another £300m really have made a difference the past few years?

Who do you support? Would you like the glazers taking over your club in a similar way as what they've done at man united? They purchased the club using a £600million loan and burdened the club with that debt. Not a penny of their own was used. That debt still stands at £600 million 19 years on and £817 million has been paid out in interest payments, by the club not the glazers. The average dividend they take out of the club each year is £22 million. The money spent on transfers during this period is money generated by the club, not out of the glazers pocket. Add in the fact Old Trafford is crumbling and the training ground lags behind most premier league clubs, surely you can see why man united fans want them out.

[seafoid]

The Glazers are parasites. the way Man Utd is managed is a trope, except at Man City. .

[magpie seanie]

I'll never really understand United fans' obsessive dismay at the Glazers taking money out of the club.

They've bankrolled a series of managers and have matched the salaries of any club in the world. This doesn't make them generous of course, but f**k me just how much money does a club need to spend before success should be inevitable? Would another £300m really have made a difference the past few years?

The Glazers haven't "bankrolled" anything. They've taken 1 Billion out for themselves (and counting) whilst running the club into the ground. The underinvestment in the early years of their ownership (Ronaldo replaced by Valencia for example) when they were struggling with their US businesses and to repay the massive debt they foisted on the club broke the cycle of success. Ferguson's genius meant trophies kept coming for a few years after that but the rot had set in. Since Ferguson left it there has been a chasm between United and the best. Quick fix solutions (Ibrahimovic) and some really good coaching (Ole) have papered over the cracks at times but inevitably the players aren't mentally equipped to be winners. The cycle has been broken and it will take a long time to rebuild it. The complete incompetence of the Glazers and their minions mitigates against this. They are about the worst owners imaginable bar the fact that there is no evidence of widespread human rights abuses at their hands.

New owners must provide for a level of fan ownership. Ideally all clubs should be supporter owned but capitalism won't allow this. Sports clubs shouldn't be corporate cash cows. Things will get worse before they get better and it's a lowering of the share price that will focus the Glazers minds.

[From the Bunker]

It's the perfect sting. Business family purchase Football Club.
Business Family put the debt of purchase on the Club.
Fans loyalty to United means it's against their nature to pull against the club.
A loved Club legend like OGS put at the helm sustained the mirage.
Fans loyalty to OGS meant it was against their nature to pull against him.

[thewobbler]

I'll never really understand United fans' obsessive dismay at the Glazers taking money out of the club.

They've bankrolled a series of managers and have matched the salaries of any club in the world. This doesn't make them generous of course, but f**k me just how much money does a club need to spend before success should be inevitable? Would another £300m really have made a difference the past few years?

Who do you support? Would you like the glazers taking over your club in a similar way as what they've done at man united? They purchased the club using a £600million loan and burdened the club with that debt. Not a penny of their own was used. That debt still stands at £600 million 19 years on and £817 million has been paid out in interest payments, by the club not the glazers. The average dividend they take out of the club each year is £22 million. The money spent on transfers during this period is money generated by the club, not out of the glazers pocket. Add in the fact Old Trafford is crumbling and the training ground lags behind most premier league clubs, surely you can see why man united fans want them out.

I think you doth protest too much.

United fans needed a new angle to complain about as it's all to easy to point out that the "money grabbing" Glazers have overseen the highest net spend on transfers in the world over the past decade.

So they've now, with Neville as their cheerleader, decided to go after the (just 20 year old) training facilities at Carrington, and complain about the state of their stadium.

Ffs these things go in cycles. Nobody can continually have the best facilities unless they swap them out every year or two (at which point there would never be any money left for players). Comparing Old Trafford to Tottenham's new stadium is absolutely f**king daft. Give if 10 years and it'll be the other way around. Same when comparing Carrington to City's new training grounds.

If the Glazers are the problem at United it's only because your sense of superiority went unchallenged for so long that it's just too difficult to accept mediocrity without throwing stones.

[trailer]

I'll never really understand United fans' obsessive dismay at the Glazers taking money out of the club.

They've bankrolled a series of managers and have matched the salaries of any club in the world. This doesn't make them generous of course, but f**k me just how much money does a club need to spend before success should be inevitable? Would another £300m really have made a difference the past few years?

Who do you support? Would you like the glazers taking over your club in a similar way as what they've done at man united? They purchased the club using a £600million loan and burdened the club with that debt. Not a penny of their own was used. That debt still stands at £600 million 19 years on and £817 million has been paid out in interest payments, by the club not the glazers. The average dividend they take out of the club each year is £22 million. The money spent on transfers during this period is money generated by the club, not out of the glazers pocket. Add in the fact Old Trafford is crumbling and the training ground lags behind most premier league clubs, surely you can see why man united fans want them out.

I think you doth protest too much.

United fans needed a new angle to complain about as it's all to easy to point out that the "money grabbing" Glazers have overseen the highest net spend on transfers in the world over the past decade.

So they've now, with Neville as their cheerleader, decided to go after the (just 20 year old) training facilities at Carrington, and complain about the state of their stadium.

Ffs these things go in cycles. Nobody can continually have the best facilities unless they swap them out every year or two (at which point there would never be any money left for players). Comparing Old Trafford to Tottenham's new stadium is absolutely f**king daft. Give if 10 years and it'll be the other way around. Same when comparing Carrington to City's new training grounds.

If the Glazers are the problem at United it's only because your sense of superiority went unchallenged for so long that it's just too difficult to accept mediocrity without throwing stones.

You seem to think spending money on football players means the club is run well. 

[thewobbler]

No, honestly I don't.

I just don't think United supporters should blather on about Glazers taking profits from the club, when those owners simultaneously permit/enable that club to spend money so freely.

[magpie seanie]

It's the perfect sting. Business family purchase Football Club.
Business Family put the debt of purchase on the Club.
Fans loyalty to United means it's against their nature to pull against the club.
A loved Club legend like OGS put at the helm sustained the mirage.
Fans loyalty to OGS meant it was against their nature to pull against him.

This is bigger than Ole but in hindsight he did an amazing job for a sustained period with substandard players.

United have the money and when you're a little off the top and desperate to get back there you can end up attracting the wrong type. It's at epidemic proportions now at United.

[Milltown Row2]

It's the perfect sting. Business family purchase Football Club.
Business Family put the debt of purchase on the Club.
Fans loyalty to United means it's against their nature to pull against the club.
A loved Club legend like OGS put at the helm sustained the mirage.
Fans loyalty to OGS meant it was against their nature to pull against him.

This is bigger than Ole but in hindsight he did an amazing job for a sustained period with substandard players.

United have the money and when you're a little off the top and desperate to get back there you can end up attracting the wrong type. It's at epidemic proportions now at United.

Jose did a better job.....


lights dynamite and runs......

[magpie seanie]

I knew I should have stayed away.

[trailer]

I knew I should have stayed away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UneS2Uwc6xw

[Milltown Row2]

I knew I should have stayed away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UneS2Uwc6xw

[screenexile]

De Jong all summer and now with 2 weeks to go they pivot to Casimero for stupid money . . . what a clown show!!!

[keep her low this half]

De Jong all summer and now with 2 weeks to go they pivot to Casimero for stupid money . . . what a clown show!!!

An absolute shambles, I thought when Woodward left it would improve, sadly not.

[Cunny Funt]

I'll never really understand United fans' obsessive dismay at the Glazers taking money out of the club.

They've bankrolled a series of managers and have matched the salaries of any club in the world. This doesn't make them generous of course, but f**k me just how much money does a club need to spend before success should be inevitable? Would another £300m really have made a difference the past few years?

Who do you support? Would you like the glazers taking over your club in a similar way as what they've done at man united? They purchased the club using a £600million loan and burdened the club with that debt. Not a penny of their own was used. That debt still stands at £600 million 19 years on and £817 million has been paid out in interest payments, by the club not the glazers. The average dividend they take out of the club each year is £22 million. The money spent on transfers during this period is money generated by the club, not out of the glazers pocket. Add in the fact Old Trafford is crumbling and the training ground lags behind most premier league clubs, surely you can see why man united fans want them out.

Yes the Glazers due to their incompetence have squandered United's own resources (over a billion wasted on transfers and contracts) signing social media stars not footballers, saddled the club (not themselves) with debt, just to own it.

Only have to look at the way the Glazers ran their shopping malls in America to know they aren't even good business men. Many United fans opposed the takeover before it even happened in 2005, some even created a breakaway club. There have been protests for over 17 years, including during times of success. Current position United find themselves in (spiraling downwards)  starts with decisions at the top. Glazers focussed on signing marketable assets rather than building a winning team. Poor squad mentality comes from club's heavy focus on commerciality.

If United had competent people to manage the football side of the club (no surprise Woodward has been replaced with someone like him) they would at the very least be competing at the top level.  On Jim Ratcliffe he created his wealth rather than inheriting it. So he knows the importance of having the right people in charge. If he comes in I'd say with good probability that he will clean house but i have my doubts that the Glazers will sell up anytime soon.