NFL Division Two 2022

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square_ball

That was a disgraceful call by the referee on Shane McGuigans 2nd yellow.

straightred

Quote from: square_ball on March 13, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
That was a disgraceful call by the referee on Shane McGuigans 2nd yellow.
and to compound it he then didnt move the free up

Wildweasel74

Seen it on TV alright, shocking call, can't understand the ref directive which normally book both players in a tusssle. Sometimes it's not hard to see who's dragging the player down, then holding him down.

Rudi

Rte focus on the minority of indiscretions by the Rossies, no mention of the stone wall free in Ronan Daly didn't get prior to the Stack / McGuigan incident or the certain goal Cathal Heneghan would have got if advantage rule was properly applied. The general thuggish behaviour of the Derry players & finger licker through out the game. Bull chit from rte

Wildweasel74

Thuggish behaviour in as what?

GaillimhIarthair

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.
It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.
Couldn't disagree with any of that AFA.  Of all our many deficiencies, it's the total lack of a transition game plan from defence to attack that frustrates me the most.  I see no support runners off the shoulder, many times there is 80 yards space between defence and attack with almost zero out ball options.  It was so noticeable in the Offaly game last week and again today we had lads turned over time and again as they had no support close by when the ball eventually did get forward, especially in the last quarter.  We obviously have a few talented forwards but we are just not putting them in a position to execute often enough.  It won't improve dramatically in 6 or so weeks as you say but good God it needs to improve from where it is right now. 

Rudi

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Gallagher is a disgrace on the line for starters, the non stop sledging ( which is a black card offence) from numerous Derry players, in particular the lad roaring at Cox when he went off.

seafoid

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.
It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.
Couldn't disagree with any of that AFA.  Of all our many deficiencies, it's the total lack of a transition game plan from defence to attack that frustrates me the most.  I see no support runners off the shoulder, many times there is 80 yards space between defence and attack with almost zero out ball options.  It was so noticeable in the Offaly game last week and again today we had lads turned over time and again as they had no support close by when the ball eventually did get forward, especially in the last quarter.  We obviously have a few talented forwards but we are just not putting them in a position to execute often enough.  It won't improve dramatically in 6 or so weeks as you say but good God it needs to improve from where it is right now.

Championship is different
The team shaped up well last year until Mayo took out Walsh. I don't expect a repeat.

Gael85

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.
It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

Speaking of Galway midfielders are Tom Flynn and Ciaran Duggan on panel?

galwayman

Quote from: Gael85 on March 13, 2022, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.
It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

Speaking of Galway midfielders are Tom Flynn and Ciaran Duggan on panel?
No. We have very few midfielders in our squad. It's an area of weakness for us.

oakleaflad

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?
Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers. 

JoG2

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?
Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

Extremely cynical is what a few our boys were saying on the road home. Chris's get his head pushed into the turf too at a stage?

Rudi

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?
Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

seafoid

Who have Ros left to play other than Galway ?

Armagh18

Quote from: Rudi on March 14, 2022, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?
Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.
Those Northerners must have dared to make a few tackles again!