A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[weareros]

It will have to be cold turkey. Bin Stormont. Unionists will eventually enjoy the Dáil and the power it brings, just like they never shy to hop on a plane for St. Paddy's Day in Washington. In Stormont they have crumbs and all they can do is debate on identity/culture and events of no relevance to their department, while the MPs only ever speak to an empty house of commons, not surprising because the English/Scots/Welsh don't want to listen to their auld blather about the windsor framework and the "sangle" market for the thousandth time.

If that was the attitude that US/EU/UK were confronted with (and I'm not saying it is/will be) then there would never be a united ireland as the referendum would never take place.

This is why there is going to need to be a discussion on what a new Ireland looks like. Anthems and football teams will come up and no doubt be contentious but they are not remotely close to the real meat of this. If you ponder this for a while you will probably see why no party has yet set out any detail of what it would look like.

Having Unionists in Dáil from Day 1 does not exclude any of that.

For Association Football, I'd disband the FAI and let IFA run an All-Ireland team again, keep the IFA Celtic Cross (in fairness a very nice crest). Neither org great. It's like the tourist in Ireland who arrived at a crossroads and there was a restaurant a mile each way. He asked a local which one was the best to which the local replied - whichever one you pick, you'll be wishing you picked the other one.

[Snapchap]

I see our great white light in the struggle for freedom, Micheal Martin, has been out of the blocks to pour a good dollop of cold water on Trumps support for reunification. He is decrying that there has been an over-reaction to the comments and that Trump just "has his own particular perspective on things".

Way to seize the opportunity to build some pro-unity momentum there Micheal.

[Rossfan]

Any chance you'd share your vision of a new all Ireland State with us?

[Snapchap]

Any chance you'd share your vision of a new all Ireland State with us?

Any chance you'd direct that EXACT question in an email to the actual Taoiseach?

[Armagh18]

I see our great white light in the struggle for freedom, Micheal Martin, has been out of the blocks to pour a good dollop of cold water on Trumps support for reunification. He is decrying that there has been an over-reaction to the comments and that Trump just "has his own particular perspective on things".

Way to seize the opportunity to build some pro-unity momentum there Micheal.

He's hopeless. Genuinely a half competent leader at the minute and the conversation around Unity would be gathering serious momentum. It's definitely building but it's disgraceful that any leader of the "Republican party" doesn't/has never had  Unity as one of their top agendas.

[Rossfan]

Any chance you'd share your vision of a new all Ireland State with us?

Any chance you'd direct that EXACT question in an email to the actual Taoiseach?

His views and lack of interest is out there in public.

I'm more interested in your views, as a 6 Cos nationalist, who'll be voting on the matter first.
You seem to have a vow of silence on it.

People might think you're waiting for instructions from SF HQ....

[johnnycool]

Trump is a cúnt even if he says something I agree with and has upset the high and mighty up here and over in Blighty which is joyous to see.

He's still a cúnt though, you can't escape that fact.


On another note, it's great to see the SNP, Plaid Cymru and SF having a wee conference to discuss the dissolution of the UK and GB.

The establishment are trotting out the usual attack lines and finances etc.

[Snapchap]

His views and lack of interest hostility to the idea is out there in public.

Corrected that for you. But whether you want to describe his attitude to Irish unity as disinterest or hostility, the fact is that he is the head of government in the south and as such, his refusal to even discuss making preparations is nothing short of negligence.

I'm more interested in your views, as a 6 Cos nationalist, who'll be voting on the matter first.
You seem to have a vow of silence on it.

You're more interested in my views on a post unity Ireland will look like, than the views of the Taoiseach? I'm touched obviously, but more baffled.

People might think you're waiting for instructions from SF HQ....

Up there with your "army council" posts. You auditioning to be an Indo Columnist or something? I mean tedious comments like that would carry far more weight if was a SF voter, but I've already made it fairly clear that I no longer am, and the reasons for that. Ireland Future have produced a succession of documents which I'd recommend you have a look at if you want to see opinions from six county nationalists, but personally, the only plan I'm interested in considering is the only one which will carry any sort of clout in actually progressing the matter, and thats one produced by an irish government. So do us a favour and get emailing the taoiseach's office and see if you can challenge his "vow of silence" instead of mine.

[MrsBinfield]

I see our great white light in the struggle for freedom, Micheal Martin, has been out of the blocks to pour a good dollop of cold water on Trumps support for reunification. He is decrying that there has been an over-reaction to the comments and that Trump just "has his own particular perspective on things".

Way to seize the opportunity to build some pro-unity momentum there Micheal.

He's hopeless. Genuinely a half competent leader at the minute and the conversation around Unity would be gathering serious momentum. It's definitely building but it's disgraceful that any leader of the "Republican party" doesn't/has never had  Unity as one of their top agendas.

Is that really true though?

Is it definitely building? Is it really a high priority for parties? Is it for the electorate.

Even amongst my acquaintances who I think probably vote (in the south) for a united ireland I would gauge that the majority wouldn't care much whether such a referendum was ever called. There are definitely more "die-hards" in favour than against but in my experience the overwhelming majority are very far removed from bing die hards in any particular direction.

[MrsBinfield]

His views and lack of interest hostility to the idea is out there in public.

Corrected that for you. But whether you want to describe his attitude to Irish unity as disinterest or hostility, the fact is that he is the head of government in the south and as such, his refusal to even discuss making preparations is nothing short of negligence.

I'm more interested in your views, as a 6 Cos nationalist, who'll be voting on the matter first.
You seem to have a vow of silence on it.

You're more interested in my views on a post unity Ireland will look like, than the views of the Taoiseach? I'm touched obviously, but more baffled.

People might think you're waiting for instructions from SF HQ....

Up there with your "army council" posts. You auditioning to be an Indo Columnist or something? I mean tedious comments like that would carry far more weight if was a SF voter, but I've already made it fairly clear that I no longer am, and the reasons for that. Ireland Future have produced a succession of documents which I'd recommend you have a look at if you want to see opinions from six county nationalists, but personally, the only plan I'm interested in considering is the only one which will carry any sort of clout in actually progressing the matter, and thats one produced by an irish government. So do us a favour and get emailing the taoiseach's office and see if you can challenge his "vow of silence" instead of mine.

Maybe rather than focusing on your personal proposal would not be worth pondering why nobody (Taoiseach or not) has set out even the bones of a proposal.

I will give you 3 thoughts on why this hasn't happened.
1 No clamour from the electorate. It's not a huge deal to the majority of people.
2 It's really difficult to navigate. This is like taking the eggs out of the omelette.
3 When people get engaged in the details of this they realise that a 32 county republic really isn't in the cards and they don't want to be the politicians that break that news to the die hards.

Not of this means it's impossible or undesirable. But it's really tricky and when we get properly engaged in this some people will have their delusions shattered. It won't be pretty.

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/09/14/snp-plaid-cymru-sinn-fein-sign-pact-break-up-united-kingdom/


SNP, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein sign pact to break up United Kingdom
First ministers of three devolved nations assert 'inalienable right' to decide their futures
The SNP, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein have signed a "historic" pact pledging to break up the United Kingdom.

The first ministers of the UK's three devolved nations – John Swinney of the SNP, Rhun ap Iorwerth of Plaid Cymru and Michelle O'Neill of Sinn Fein – signed the memorandum of understanding in Cardiff on Monday

[Snapchap]

1 No clamour from the electorate. It's not a huge deal to the majority of people.

Whether it's a huge deal  or not in the south isn't really the point. Demographics in the north will dictate that a referendum is coming down the tracks. All responsible governments are supposed to plan decades in ahead. To refuse to plan ahead for what is an inevitable referendum, with an inevitable outcome, is negligence.

2 It's really difficult to navigate. This is like taking the eggs out of the omelette.

So would scottish independence have been. So was german reunification. So are lots of things. It's not really a good reason not to do it though.

3 When people get engaged in the details of this they realise that a 32 county republic really isn't in the cards and they don't want to be the politicians that break that news to the die hards.

'cept, it is on the cards. The north was a state designed along sectarian lines to ensure a permanent protestant majority. That majority no longer even exists. Reunification is just a matter of time. The unionist population is both older and declining, while the nationalist one is younger and growing, and the pace of both trajectories is increasing.

[Rossfan]

Dear snapchap, this is a discussion board.
I'm interested in what sort of UI you'd like to see or propose, you being a northern nationalist.

No need to be afraid, we're all anonymous here😉.

[Snapchap]

Dear snapchap, this is a discussion board.
I'm interested in what sort of UI you'd like to see or propose, you being a northern nationalist.

No need to be afraid, we're all anonymous here😉.

We are. Which makes your fixation on my vision all the more odd.

For what it's worth, I have not once sat down to draw up a vision of what it will look like. I don't know a single six co nationalist/republican who has. Nor have either of the two main nationalist parties in the north done so.

I, and I'd suggest most six co nationalists and republicans, just know that whatever the nuts and bolts of it, it will be infinitely better than the unmittigated disaster that partition has been. And that the only plan that matters, and the only one that will kick start a wider deabte about the nuts and bolts, will be the one produced by an Irish government. So get drafting that email lobbing Micheal to get the finger out, like a good fella.

taoiseach@taoiseach.gov.ie 

[Rossfan]

So
We don't know what we want but Micheál Martin must deliver it.

By the way won't Harris be taking over as Taoiseach soon?