New Catholic Church/ DUP coalition! Is this they way forward?

[LCohen]

On the basis that scripture is the divine word of God

Learn to use the quote button. Then we could establish which point you believe your post addresses.

If scripture is the devine word of god what do you believe other christians should do to address the fact that Tony Fearon trims the hair around his temples and wears clothes of mixed fabric?

[muppet]

I respect the views of the millions who don't ,do you respect the views of the millions who do?

I certainly do, especially those who don't insist on imposing their values on everyone.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

So, should you act contrary to your conscience when you do something that you believe to be moral but the church considers sinful.  Say, for example, birth control, which the Church opposes.  Imagine, though, a Third World country, vastly over-populated, where, without birth control, families are churning out children like rabbits, destining them to lives of abject poverty and suffering.  If you lived in that situation and your conscience told you that it was more moral to advocate/promote birth control to save families from a grim future than to uphold the Church's teaching, should you follow your conscience, or ignore it and thereby do something wrong in your view?

Would it not make sense to advocate abstinence? No sex outside of marriage maybe?  Too many children - surely no/less sex is the answer?

Can someone please outline the Catholic's Church's problem with birth control?

Lust is a deadly sin.  Deadly sins are bad. Sex, if not for procreation, is engaging in lust.   Which is a deadly sin.

[The Iceman]

So, should you act contrary to your conscience when you do something that you believe to be moral but the church considers sinful.  Say, for example, birth control, which the Church opposes.  Imagine, though, a Third World country, vastly over-populated, where, without birth control, families are churning out children like rabbits, destining them to lives of abject poverty and suffering.  If you lived in that situation and your conscience told you that it was more moral to advocate/promote birth control to save families from a grim future than to uphold the Church's teaching, should you follow your conscience, or ignore it and thereby do something wrong in your view?

Would it not make sense to advocate abstinence? No sex outside of marriage maybe?  Too many children - surely no/less sex is the answer?

Can someone please outline the Catholic's Church's problem with birth control?

Lust is a deadly sin.  Deadly sins are bad. Sex, if not for procreation, is engaging in lust.   Which is a deadly sin.

It's a little more thoughtful and not as heartless as that....
In fact entire books have been written about it - see the Theology of the Body for reference.

Sex is for procreation. Anything goes between a husband and a wife in the bedroom as long as it leads to intercourse and is open to life. You can't be open to life by using contraception. Look up the catechism. The gaaboard is not Catholicanswers.com

[Maguire01]

I respect the views of the millions who don't ,do you respect the views of the millions who do?

I respect the right of people to hold the views, I don't necessarily respect the views themselves, given that many of them are ridiculous.

[Maguire01]

So, should you act contrary to your conscience when you do something that you believe to be moral but the church considers sinful.  Say, for example, birth control, which the Church opposes.  Imagine, though, a Third World country, vastly over-populated, where, without birth control, families are churning out children like rabbits, destining them to lives of abject poverty and suffering.  If you lived in that situation and your conscience told you that it was more moral to advocate/promote birth control to save families from a grim future than to uphold the Church's teaching, should you follow your conscience, or ignore it and thereby do something wrong in your view?

Would it not make sense to advocate abstinence? No sex outside of marriage maybe?  Too many children - surely no/less sex is the answer?

Can someone please outline the Catholic's Church's problem with birth control?

Lust is a deadly sin.  Deadly sins are bad. Sex, if not for procreation, is engaging in lust.   Which is a deadly sin.

It's a little more thoughtful and not as heartless as that....
In fact entire books have been written about it - see the Theology of the Body for reference.

Sex is for procreation. Anything goes between a husband and a wife in the bedroom as long as it leads to intercourse and is open to life. You can't be open to life by using contraception. Look up the catechism. The gaaboard is not Catholicanswers.com

I don't understand the Church's fascination with sex.

Also, if it's all about intercourse being "open to life", why would the Church promote the rhythm method? Whilst there's still a chance of conception, that's actively trying to prevent it, therefore no different in aim to artificial contraception, just less effective (and of no value at all in preventing the spread of diseases).

[snoopdog]

A bunch of old men who never get it of course theyre obsessed with sex

[LCohen]

So, should you act contrary to your conscience when you do something that you believe to be moral but the church considers sinful.  Say, for example, birth control, which the Church opposes.  Imagine, though, a Third World country, vastly over-populated, where, without birth control, families are churning out children like rabbits, destining them to lives of abject poverty and suffering.  If you lived in that situation and your conscience told you that it was more moral to advocate/promote birth control to save families from a grim future than to uphold the Church's teaching, should you follow your conscience, or ignore it and thereby do something wrong in your view?

Would it not make sense to advocate abstinence? No sex outside of marriage maybe?  Too many children - surely no/less sex is the answer?

Can someone please outline the Catholic's Church's problem with birth control?

Lust is a deadly sin.  Deadly sins are bad. Sex, if not for procreation, is engaging in lust.   Which is a deadly sin.

It's a little more thoughtful and not as heartless as that....
In fact entire books have been written about it - see the Theology of the Body for reference.

Sex is for procreation. Anything goes between a husband and a wife in the bedroom as long as it leads to intercourse and is open to life. You can't be open to life by using contraception. Look up the catechism. The gaaboard is not Catholicanswers.com

So sex between a married, hetrosexual couple would be sinful if one or both of the couple were infertile or post menopause. This is incredible stuff. We need to stop these people booking B&B rooms!!

A woman resisting rape would constitute a moral crisis for some with this sort of logic?

[mylestheslasher]

An alliance of gobshites from the two sides sounds like a great idea to me. We could move them all to an uninhabited island of the coast, let them fly union jacks from every rock and live their pure christian life. It could double up as penance and the vow of poverty, lough derg every day of the week. Tony the boat is waiting for you too.

[gallsman]

So, should you act contrary to your conscience when you do something that you believe to be moral but the church considers sinful.  Say, for example, birth control, which the Church opposes.  Imagine, though, a Third World country, vastly over-populated, where, without birth control, families are churning out children like rabbits, destining them to lives of abject poverty and suffering.  If you lived in that situation and your conscience told you that it was more moral to advocate/promote birth control to save families from a grim future than to uphold the Church's teaching, should you follow your conscience, or ignore it and thereby do something wrong in your view?

Would it not make sense to advocate abstinence? No sex outside of marriage maybe?  Too many children - surely no/less sex is the answer?

Can someone please outline the Catholic's Church's problem with birth control?

Lust is a deadly sin.  Deadly sins are bad. Sex, if not for procreation, is engaging in lust.   Which is a deadly sin.

It's a little more thoughtful and not as heartless as that....
In fact entire books have been written about it - see the Theology of the Body for reference.

Sex is for procreation. Anything goes between a husband and a wife in the bedroom as long as it leads to intercourse and is open to life. You can't be open to life by using contraception. Look up the catechism. The gaaboard is not Catholicanswers.com

Does it? Priests etc would condone all sorts as long as it culminated with vaginal sex?

[gallsman]

An alliance of gobshites from the two sides sounds like a great idea to me. We could move them all to an uninhabited island of the coast, let them fly union jacks from every rock and live their pure christian life. It could double up as penance and the vow of poverty, lough derg every day of the week. Tony the boat is waiting for you too.

That is a fantastic idea.

[T Fearon]

Yes and Myles' Apacolyptic solution is indeed what will happen at the end of time.Wheat separated from chaff

[michaelg]

Yes and Myles' Apacolyptic solution is indeed what will happen at the end of time.Wheat separated from chaff

I don't know a great deal about these matters, but would it not be the case that your DUP evangelical buddies think that you too will be down stoking the fires of hell with all the other heathens?

[gallsman]

Yes and Myles' Apacolyptic solution is indeed what will happen at the end of time.Wheat separated from chaff

Lol Tony, this might be your biggest troll effort. If all your selectively chosen and adhered to beliefs actually turn out to be true, it won't be the pearly gates for you. Knackers' yard at best.

[T Fearon]

Thankfully it will be God that judges me (and everyone else) not the DUP