Lucinda Creighton - the answer to all our problems !!

[Syferus]

If (and I am only assuming) this party opposes the same sex marriage referendum then it will get no end of publicity and airtime being the only party (afaik) opposing it. Will impress a fairly largeish wing of FG. Very smart timing if that is the case.

Even if it gets a smallish % of the vote it could harm FG no end just like the Hunger Strike candidates did to CJH all those years denying him a win in a GE.

You'd want to read the thread more carefully Canalman..

Call me an old fuddy duddy but I tend to try and not to blindly believe everything posted on the internet. In the absence of any other info ( with all due respect to fellow posters ) I prefer to assume.

It's a direct quote from the so-called newspaper of record, as AZ has said.

[Canalman]

It's the Irish Times interview. Not fellow posters. She clearly says she's voting Yes to Gay Marriage.

Fair enough . I stand corrected.

[AZOffaly]

Whether you agree with her or not, I thought she had a conscience and a belief that she was willing to stand for. A principled stand, whether you agree or not, is an admirable thing. However she seems to be as flexible as other politicians when chasing the auld vote, so i think this will be more of the same. PDs lite.

[Syferus]

Whether you agree with her or not, I thought she had a conscience and a belief that she was willing to stand for. A principled stand, whether you agree or not, is an admirable thing. However she seems to be as flexible as other politicians when chasing the auld vote, so i think this will be more of the same. PDs lite.

At least they had a name.

[magpie seanie]

Think you lads don't realise Irish liberals are actually fairly close to the centre!
There's no real left and don't say sf. Joe Higgins talks a good game.

You are spot in though on two things - Lucinda wants to capture middle class vote
Plus (as I said about this being akin to dl, pd's etc) this party won't last too long , even if it gets off the ground.

Get a few seats ( Lucinda) and fg will forgive her, take her back in and award her with cabinet position

SF are most certainly not a party of the left. They are FF in waiting. The Socialist Party and PBP along with some other groups are the left in Irish politics.

[muppet]

Think you lads don't realise Irish liberals are actually fairly close to the centre!
There's no real left and don't say sf. Joe Higgins talks a good game.

You are spot in though on two things - Lucinda wants to capture middle class vote
Plus (as I said about this being akin to dl, pd's etc) this party won't last too long , even if it gets off the ground.

Get a few seats ( Lucinda) and fg will forgive her, take her back in and award her with cabinet position

SF are most certainly not a party of the left. They are FF in waiting. The Socialist Party and PBP along with some other groups are the left in Irish politics.

The problem with the old left/right, communism/capitalism axes is that they are now pretty obsolete, except at election time when ideological promises are made.

We are now ruled by Central Banks, and regional banks are simply implementers of CB policies. This might have the appearance of capitalism but when the banks crashed they 'socialised' their debt using the collective, i.e. us, to repay them. Thus they get the best of both (left/right) worlds while we get the worst.

Irish politicians, in and out of government, haven't the cop on to know that they are merely a powerless side-show. The new party doesn't seem to know the difference either.

[seafoid]

Think you lads don't realise Irish liberals are actually fairly close to the centre!
There's no real left and don't say sf. Joe Higgins talks a good game.

You are spot in though on two things - Lucinda wants to capture middle class vote
Plus (as I said about this being akin to dl, pd's etc) this party won't last too long , even if it gets off the ground.

Get a few seats ( Lucinda) and fg will forgive her, take her back in and award her with cabinet position

SF are most certainly not a party of the left. They are FF in waiting. The Socialist Party and PBP along with some other groups are the left in Irish politics.

The problem with the old left/right, communism/capitalism axes is that they are now pretty obsolete, except at election time when ideological promises are made.

We are now ruled by Central Banks, and regional banks are simply implementers of CB policies. This might have the appearance of capitalism but when the banks crashed they 'socialised' their debt using the collective, i.e. us, to repay them. Thus they get the best of both (left/right) worlds while we get the worst.

Irish politicians, in and out of government, haven't the cop on to know that they are merely a powerless side-show. The new party doesn't seem to know the difference either.

the parties are reduced to doling out goodies to their buddies.And mopping up the excesses of finance.
The Swiss finance minister had a heart attack after being told in 2008 that UBS was in serious trouble.

[lynchbhoy]

Think you lads don't realise Irish liberals are actually fairly close to the centre!
There's no real left and don't say sf. Joe Higgins talks a good game.

You are spot in though on two things - Lucinda wants to capture middle class vote
Plus (as I said about this being akin to dl, pd's etc) this party won't last too long , even if it gets off the ground.

Get a few seats ( Lucinda) and fg will forgive her, take her back in and award her with cabinet position

SF are most certainly not a party of the left. They are FF in waiting. The Socialist Party and PBP along with some other groups are the left in Irish politics.

Unfortunately they are putting the looney into the looney left!

Completely agree about sf.
One slight move and they will be ff !
Sure they will have an ex ff member as leader soon!
Though I think she is quite good ( mad but nice with it)

[dec]

Soon there will be up to four new "political groupings" to choose from.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/four-new-political-groupings-likely-to-be-formed-ahead-of-next-general-election-1.2054545

[muppet]

Soon there will be up to four new "political groupings" to choose from.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/four-new-political-groupings-likely-to-be-formed-ahead-of-next-general-election-1.2054545

One of them is the old United Left Alliance remnants. Too many ideologues, big mouths and big egos there to sit behind one great leader.

Another is a Shane Ross led (presumably) pro-business party and thus right of centre party. But no policies yet. Given he is editor of the Sindo Business supplement he should be able to get things moving somewhat, if he really wants to. But will other TDs bow to him and tow the line?

The Roscommon/South Leitrim party is currently formulating policy to put 'some meat on the bone'. Sheariously? Lambs to the slaughter methinks.

[seafoid]

Soon there will be up to four new "political groupings" to choose from.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/four-new-political-groupings-likely-to-be-formed-ahead-of-next-general-election-1.2054545

One of them is the old United Left Alliance remnants. Too many ideologues, big mouths and big egos there to sit behind one great leader.

Another is a Shane Ross led (presumably) pro-business party and thus right of centre party. But no policies yet. Given he is editor of the Sindo Business supplement he should be able to get things moving somewhat, if he really wants to. But will other TDs bow to him and tow the line?

The Roscommon/South Leitrim party is currently formulating policy to put 'some meat on the bone'. Sheariously? Lambs to the slaughter methinks.

The Ross bandwagon could be interesting. We might see a split between private sector and public sector developing over the next while.

[foxcommander]

Soon there will be up to four new "political groupings" to choose from.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/four-new-political-groupings-likely-to-be-formed-ahead-of-next-general-election-1.2054545

One of them is the old United Left Alliance remnants. Too many ideologues, big mouths and big egos there to sit behind one great leader.

Another is a Shane Ross led (presumably) pro-business party and thus right of centre party. But no policies yet. Given he is editor of the Sindo Business supplement he should be able to get things moving somewhat, if he really wants to. But will other TDs bow to him and tow the line?

The Roscommon/South Leitrim party is currently formulating policy to put 'some meat on the bone'. Sheariously? Lambs to the slaughter methinks.

The Ross bandwagon could be interesting. We might see a split between private sector and public sector developing over the next while.

Time for NEW Labour?? Seemed to work for Tony Blair to push distance between the party of old.
Might save the skin of some of their TD's.

[Rossfan]

Time we had an All Night Party  again like some mad buck in Sligo used to have.

[magpie seanie]

Time we had an All Night Party  again like some mad buck in Sligo used to have.

Flukey Gorman. Gas man!

[muppet]

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/islamic-scholar-has-no-place-in-party-says-lucinda-creighton-1.2059679

Lucinda Creighton has indicated she has no interest in talking to a Dublin-based Islamic scholar about joining her new party.

Dr Ali Selim of the Islamic Cultural Centre in Dublin has this week appealed to the Irish media not to republish cartoons that appeared in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

He also condemned the extremists who were responsible for the murder of 12 people in the headquarters of the Charlie Hebdo in Paris.
Sinn Féin's Aengus Ó Snodaigh claims the Government has sat on its hands since the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development's review of the Irish pension system was published.

Dr Selim, who has run as an Independent candidate in local elections, said he was interested in talking to Ms Creighton about the political party she is forming.

Responding to his comments, Ms Creighton indicated firmly she was not interested in him becoming a member.

She said freedom of speech went hand in hand with freedom of conscience which was a central principle of the new party.
"Anyone who feels the media should be curtailed from unfettered freedom has no place in our political party," she said.

I was disappointed when I read this man's comments earlier in the week. It is fine to qualify your comments on here, but he really needed to simply condemn the attackers and leave it at that.

But Lucinda is off her rocker making comments like that. They will come back to haunt her.