Sean Brady Steps Down

[Maguire01]

Actually it's a tribute to the parents,teachers etc handing on the faith.

Old habits die hard.

[LCohen]

220 young children at Armagh Cathedral today preparing for a First Communion.That's Faith Alive!

So its their faith in an earth creating and over-seeng god and in the teachings and mechanisms of the catholic church that has then there?

(Do they have first communion at this time of year???)

[LCohen]

Now strong evidence emerging that MI5 covered up child abuse at Kincora Boys Home in East aBelfast.So looking forward to threads on this board condemning the British Govt,demanding it releases all files etc,

Completely agree

and their Head of State will be no longer welcome in Ireland and no invitations to Windsor Castle will be accepted etc

If she was peronally involved then yes.

[Maguire01]

Now strong evidence emerging that MI5 covered up child abuse at Kincora Boys Home in East aBelfast.So looking forward to threads on this board condemning the British Govt,demanding it releases all files etc,

The difference being that you're unlikely to have someone on here starting threads and defending the British government in the first place.

[T Fearon]

I'm talking about the general witch hunt against the Catholic Church conducted by Irish Anti catholics

[LCohen]

I'm talking about the general witch hunt against the Catholic Church conducted by Irish Anti catholics

Subjecting the catholic church to the same scrutiny of any other body or group and the removal of any historic, special priviledges is not a witch hunt and no reasonable mind could conclude otherwise

[T Fearon]

Will the same witch hunt be conducted against the British Queen (in situ at the time) and her government when it is proved tonight her security agencies covered up Kincora?

[LCohen]

Will the same witch hunt be conducted against the British Queen (in situ at the time) and her government when it is proved tonight her security agencies covered up Kincora?

What involvement are you alleging against her?

What did she do/not do that might lead to a witch hunt?

Her wider family might get caught up in it yet though

[Maguire01]

Will the same witch hunt be conducted against the British Queen (in situ at the time) and her government when it is proved tonight her security agencies covered up Kincora?

It depends. Was she an investigator or just a note taker?

[T Fearon]

It was her security agencies that covered it all up,much the same as when Pope John Paul I I and Pope Benedict were blamed for child abuse in the catholic church

[AhNowRef]

I'm talking about the general witch hunt against the Catholic Church conducted by Irish Anti catholics

As you've been told plenty of times before .. This is NOT an anti-catholic thing ... Im certainly not anti-catholic .. very much pro-catholic actually...

Also, Im 100% sure that people like you with your views have created many of the anti-catholics you like to dismiss ... You just keep on giving dont you !!

There is no witch hunt against the church .. in fact they've been let run their own show for far too long ... A witch hunt a few decades ago would have been a real blessing and would have saved many innocents' lives.

All you can do is to smirk and sneer about other institutions and how the "anti-catholics" wouldn't complain about them ... Just more bile from a ridiculous man with an antiquated hateful and dangerous view of morality & the church.. 
The fact is that Pedophilia and anyone involved in doing it, facilitating it, covering it up, hiding the f**kers who did it etc.... are disgusting individuals at best and should be locked up in many instances .... But Brady not only did many of the aforementioned, he then tried to cover it up and even after it all came out, he could only find it in himself to offer a perfunctory apology and wouldn't even vacate his seat as Bishop even though he "KNEW" he was doing the church irrefutable harm in doing so .... He's a disgrace and so are you for backing him !!

The fact that you put more emphasis on people attacking the church and whataboutery than on the actual instances of Pedophilia etc.. itself speaks volumes.....

[T Fearon]

If Sean Brady is guilty of even one of the things you allege,why has he not been questioned by the Police?

[muppet]

It was her security agencies that covered it all up,much the same as when Pope John Paul I I and Pope Benedict were blamed for child abuse in the catholic church

We know Ratzinger was actively involved in the hindrance of civil investigations into child abuse. At least he, unlike Sean Brady, knew he had to resign.

Ratzinger is up to his neck in it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/apr/24/children.childprotection

Pope Benedict XVI faced claims last night he had 'obstructed justice' after it emerged he issued an order ensuring the church's investigations into child sex abuse claims be carried out in secret.
The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.

It asserted the church's right to hold its inquiries behind closed doors and keep the evidence confidential for up to 10 years after the victims reached adulthood. The letter was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was elected as John Paul II's successor last week.

Lawyers acting for abuse victims claim it was designed to prevent the allegations from becoming public knowledge or being investigated by the police. They accuse Ratzinger of committing a 'clear obstruction of justice'.

The letter, 'concerning very grave sins', was sent from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican office that once presided over the Inquisition and was overseen by Ratzinger.

It spells out to bishops the church's position on a number of matters ranging from celebrating the eucharist with a non-Catholic to sexual abuse by a cleric 'with a minor below the age of 18 years'. Ratzinger's letter states that the church can claim jurisdiction in cases where abuse has been 'perpetrated with a minor by a cleric'.

The letter states that the church's jurisdiction 'begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age' and lasts for 10 years.

It orders that 'preliminary investigations' into any claims of abuse should be sent to Ratzinger's office, which has the option of referring them back to private tribunals in which the 'functions of judge, promoter of justice, notary and legal representative can validly be performed for these cases only by priests'.

'Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,' Ratzinger's letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication.

The letter is referred to in documents relating to a lawsuit filed earlier this year against a church in Texas and Ratzinger on behalf of two alleged abuse victims. By sending the letter, lawyers acting for the alleged victims claim the cardinal conspired to obstruct justice.

Daniel Shea, the lawyer for the two alleged victims who discovered the letter, said: 'It speaks for itself. You have to ask: why do you not start the clock ticking until the kid turns 18? It's an obstruction of justice.'

Father John Beal, professor of canon law at the Catholic University of America, gave an oral deposition under oath on 8 April last year in which he admitted to Shea that the letter extended the church's jurisdiction and control over sexual assault crimes.

The Ratzinger letter was co-signed by Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone who gave an interview two years ago in which he hinted at the church's opposition to allowing outside agencies to investigate abuse claims.

'In my opinion, the demand that a bishop be obligated to contact the police in order to denounce a priest who has admitted the offence of paedophilia is unfounded,' Bertone said.

Shea criticised the order that abuse allegations should be investigated only in secret tribunals. 'They are imposing procedures and secrecy on these cases. If law enforcement agencies find out about the case, they can deal with it. But you can't investigate a case if you never find out about it. If you can manage to keep it secret for 18 years plus 10 the priest will get away with it,' Shea added.

A spokeswoman in the Vatican press office declined to comment when told about the contents of the letter. 'This is not a public document, so we would not talk about it,' she said.

[muppet]

If Sean Brady is guilty of even one of the things you allege,why has he not been questioned by the Police?

I posted the laws at the time, which looked a nailed on offence( for once didn't even dispute it), and your response was to say surely the parents were also guilty. Now you are ignoring that development again and using the fact that Brady's involvement remained hidden in the documents until 2010.

For the police to investigate they would most likely need a complaint first.

Thus the question becomes: Why has there been no complaint?

The simplest answer might be that it could a condition of the up to €50m in private confidential settlements alleged to have been paid out.

For the record Brendan Boland's book quotes a retired Garda who claims that Brady would certainly have been questioned in the early 1990s, if they knew he had been present at the meeting with the victims. I think he should still be interviewed and if he had any class he would have voluntarily offered himself for interview.

[T Fearon]

Inteeviewed for what? Being present at a meeting in which children raised unsubstantiated allegations? Should the parents also be questioned for their dereliction of duty in not properly getting to the bottom of this?