Down Club Hurling & Football

[thewobbler]

how can we continue with managers when our clubs sack them at every opportunity. I blame the clubs and the county board delegates who are a massive problem in the county. Personally, they should not have the power to do this and it should be left to county executive.

Disagree completely.

The County Executive, when they choose to vote as a block, have the control hand in our county's affairs. That's plenty.

But if the vast majority (and it takes a vast majority) of clubs don't want something, then why should it be possible for the executive to implement it? This is a necessary control structure.

[manwithnoplan]

Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.

That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

[Truth hurts]

Mc Corry and Tally were sacked by the clubs, that was wrong

[manwithnoplan]

I doubt we'll solve any problems on this message board, rehashing the same points over and over again.

On a positive note, the club season is almost upon us. Looking forward to seeing which teams improve this year, who can challenge for each division and the relegation scraps should be entertaining too.

[stiff breeze]

Mc Corry and Tally were sacked by the clubs, that was wrong

The county board recommended that Mc Corry be sacked and the clubs opted to keep him in place . Mc Corry then left over the county board recommendation .

[thewobbler]

Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.

That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim. 

[Godsown]

Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.

That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim.

Your point is well made ref AIMFC but it looks like you forgot the team of 2005  Whats  interesting  re 2005 however is number of Mayo players who went on to  play at the higher level in terms of competing for AISFC and top tier NFL over the years

[Truth hurts]

Would there be a database at county office for all the players who have went through the mourne academy? I would love to see the stats from u14through minor then to senior level. I heard that crossmaglen to not send their kids to development squads

[manwithnoplan]

Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.

That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim.

Not really self explanatory when you willingly omit under 21 All Ireland finalists and minor All Ireland winners to try and exaggerate the point you wish to get across.

[stiff breeze]

Would there be a database at county office for all the players who have went through the mourne academy? I would love to see the stats from u14through minor then to senior level. I heard that crossmaglen to not send their kids to development squads

Same place you heard about the clubs giving Tally and Mc Corry the road was it 

[thewobbler]

Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.

That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim.

Not really self explanatory when you willingly omit under 21 All Ireland finalists and minor All Ireland winners to try and exaggerate the point you wish to get across.

It's not a willing omission. It's a factual record that Down haven't won 3 games in a row in the Ulster minor championship since 1999.

Minor is quite uncomplicated compared to even u20 - where players might have competing interests in club, Sigerson and senior county, plus the natural elevation of tactics and conditioning. Minor is a marker of raw potential coming through. Some years nerves will get the better of them before they can generate momentum. But not every year.

[rosskarr]

 Conor O'Toole would have all the Data for Development Squads since he started in his role.Producing it as evidence to claims that these Squads have been a waste of time may be a different matter.The paid Coaches under his guidance have a case to answer also.Dismal,Dire and frankly a disgusting waste of the GAA's money.

[Johnnysboys]

From the 1999 group - how many played at intercounty senior level for a sustained period of time - 8-10 years???
Benny, Murtagh, Sexton, Clarke?? Is that it??

Doyle was there but played a limited amount due to injury.
Grant, Walsh, Kearney were there for a few years only.

So out of this Ulster and All Ireland winning group we had 4 players. Is winning a minor Ulster really that important?

I would love the data on all players on development squads - that would make interesting reading. The county coaches - not being cheeky here - but what do they actually do? Surely this job should be for current players only for a period of 5 years to allow them the time to do the necessary training for intercounty senior football?? It might also allow the players time to retrain in a different career and hand the baton over to a current player who needs work - and the cycle continues... 

[snoopdog]

All this talk of underage. Any idea of a starting 15 for Friday night v Fermanagh. Would there be tmany of the minor teams of 2 years ago when fermanagh dumped a very fancied Down out on their arses under a very underwhelming mccartan and poacher management team.

[supersub]

Some serious hypocrites on this board. The same people critiquing and abusing McCorry & Tally are the ones now thinking and saying maybe they weren't so bad. The grass isn't always greener folks. The unnecessary and ill informed constant bashing of the County Board and everything they do or don't do is also a disgrace. Time people got behind the County, in all facets, instead of just complaining and criticising behind an online pseudonym.