Are Tyrone Finished

[Wildweasel74]

Tyrone are with Mickey Harte in the same situation Boylan was with Meath and Mick O`D with Kerry, they stayed on after their good teams faded, didn't bring in enough new players when the older players were still at the height of there powers to better blood them, the opposition has got stronger while our own team has faded, Donegal more than most are responsible for Tyrone Demise, they just couldn't get by them, Boylan should have went a few years before he did, same for Micko , with reputations forever enhanced, whats the point Mickey Harte staying on another few years as the slide continues.

A new manager didnt bring back Glory to Meath or Kerry, in fact they got worse. A new Tyrone manager will not improve the situation but fact is you are delaying the inevitable. Accept the next 4/5yrs will be lean ones and build a team for the future. Kerry have started rebuilding and that's with no decent minor  teams coming through, and with Cooper back next yr and Spillane Nephew likely to be on board Kerry are already on their way back.

[barelegs]

The Tyrone situation is different to the Boylan and O'Dwyer one in that there was no real underage success to build with in Kerry or Meath. Tyrone have had success at schools and minor level. They are producing players, they're just getting lost somewhere between minor and under 21.

I don't think Tyrone need to spend 4 years in the wilderness. Look were Donegal were when Jim McGuinness took over. He had them contesting for All Ireland in relatively short period of time. The personel at any potential new manager's disposal is certainly no worse than McGuinness had. Then again is there another Jim McGuinness waiting in the wings?

Donegal are the antithesis of Tyrone in terms of preparation as far as I'm concerned. They're physically stronger, something most of the Tyrone panel admit needs to change, and they have a defensive structure and definable gameplan. Both physical conditioning and a installing a gameplan are management issues as far as I'm concerned.

Given the way in which Mickey handled the Tyrone team this year, I don't think he should return. Teams selections were erratic and as the season went on he appeared increasingly desperate. The team selection for the first Down game was absolutely bizarre and the subsequent chopping and changing didn't do the players any favours.

Perhaps the major issue (one that I've picked up from a couple of county players privately) is that the younger players can't warm to his style of management. For want of better words, he's too detached and aloof.

[Wildweasel74]

but the point with Donegal is they have a really good system, i would say McGlynn, McGee, Lacey, and Murphy and maybe McFadden are really good players but if they played open and direct they get showed up as the basis of their strength is a defensive system  not ability of players, they played like anybody else they do well to make the last 8. Tyrone i couldnt see go down that route of defensive football to cover limitations, their supporters wouldnt stand for playing like that.

[barelegs]

That's my point exactly. I want Tyrone to have a defensive system! Some sort of strategy. Not this man to man suicide that they persisted with this year in spite of it being shown up time and again. We got to an All Ireland semi-final with a sweeper of sorts last season. Then we ditch it this year?

It's a results driven business, not an entertainment business. I couldn't care less how Tyrone win, as long as they do. Getting out played by Monaghan and Armagh in the championship, shouldn't be acceptable to any Tyrone fan.

[BennyHarp]

The Tyrone situation is different to the Boylan and O'Dwyer one in that there was no real underage success to build with in Kerry or Meath. Tyrone have had success at schools and minor level. They are producing players, they're just getting lost somewhere between minor and under 21.

Really? Where Kerry and Meath not producing underage talent during their respective golden years?

[J OGorman]

Tyrone had a Golden Age and probably maxed in that time, and that's a compliment. They won 3 AIs in a tough time. Kerry had arguably one of their best ever teams during 2 of those wins.

Harte is up there with Heffo, Micko and Boylan as a manager that caterpulted a team to another level.

There were savage players in Tyrone in 70s and 80s. McKenna, McGuigan, Donaghy, McCabe, O Hagan. Art McCrory did his bit and Tyrone were very unlucky/robbed in 95. I think Harte did a great job taking the 'luck' aspect out of things - which of course Micko and Heffo had done earlier by making sure they were better prepared than anybody else.

Like others that had success (including my neighbours Galway), Tyrone fans and the media as well will find it hard to let go. Every McCurry and Coney will be the new Canavan and O Neill but they won t be.

Tyrone also heve to look at their game. Underage and in schools Tyrone are probably at the cutting edge. But because of their senior seccess Tyrone college teams and underage teams all seem to play the Harte way and this may not be a good thing anymore. As well as that intensive underage training and coaching produces 'hot-house flowers' that peak at minor and that s it.

Harte has earned the right to choose when he wants to go himself. I can understand why he would want to stay on. But like all coaches the game changes around ye. The players do as well. Canavan and Cavanagh are once in a lifetime. Dooher, Jordan, McManamon , etc don t grow on trees either.

Harte has earned the right to choose when he wants to go himself.  That sentiment really is the problem in itself . He has been a great servant to tyrone football over the last 20 years, but he has been medicocre for the best part of 5 years now. He hasn't earned the right to do anything, thanks for the memories, but bye bye!

Harte was ruthless when it came to team/squad selection, now the CB have to be ruthless with him.  There is no room for sentiment.  His record prior to winning Ulsters and All Irelands should not come into the equation when judging the performances of the past 5 or 6 seasons.

Tyrone ran Dublin to a point in last year's NFL final and were unlucky in last year's AI semi final.

Most counties would give anything to be up there in that company.

correct. a good crew of top players come through at the same time, success like never before is brought to the county spearheaded by Harte. Alot of you Tryonies have completely lost the run of yourselves. Nrico, who is your alternative? Malachy O'Rourke? Was McIver like in his lack of tactics yesterday against Donegal. Canavan? Couldnt lace Harte's boots in the world of inter county management. Anyone else come to mind?

the ultimate childish way to look at it!
"Who would do better"?? Are you serious? Maybe the person replacing him isn't as good. So what! His results of nearly a decade ago are nothing to do with the current teams performance. This is about football in general in Tyrone, it shouldn't be about Mickey Harte. He needs to go, and no, I don't know who could/ would replace him. That is irrelevant .

childish? :-)

Micky, dont let the door hit you on the way out......

[barelegs]

The Tyrone situation is different to the Boylan and O'Dwyer one in that there was no real underage success to build with in Kerry or Meath. Tyrone have had success at schools and minor level. They are producing players, they're just getting lost somewhere between minor and under 21.

Really? Where Kerry and Meath not producing underage talent during their respective golden years?

Well Meath won an All Ireland Minor in 1992 and Under 21 in 1993. They haven't won an All Ireland Minor or Under 21 title since. Boylan left in 2005.

Kerry won All Ireland minors titles in 1975 and 1980. The 1975 team (if memory serve me right helped form part of that golden era) mostly helped by winning under 21 titles in 1976 and 1977. The 1980 team never really got an opportunity until after 1986. They won the 1988 minor All Ireland but it took until the 1994 minor team started to come through that they began to remake their mark. Three under 21 titles in 4 years in the 1990s helped!

Boylan certainly had no underage success to build with. Kerry had some success (1980) but Micko never really integrated this team into the senior team.

Tyrone won their last All Ireland in 2008. They won the 2008 and 2010 minor titles, the 2012 Ulster minor and reached the 2013 AI minor final. There are/ were players coming through to build with if they are handled correctly or if they had been handled correctly

[haveaharp]

Getting out played by Monaghan and Armagh in the championship, shouldn't be acceptable to any Tyrone fan.

Why ? are you some sort of superior beings or something ?

[BennyHarp]

Maybe the problem is that our development squads are producing decent squads of minors to compete at that level without developing individual talent which will make an impact at senior level. Where was our Canavan, Cush, Cavlan, McAnallen or Cavanagh of our most recent minor squads! We have had squads of good players playing a system but perhaps lacking the talent to make a major impact at senior. We haven't produced a specialist corner back, full back, centre half back, midfielder or full forward in years. Loads of identikit, excellent ball players but not what we need to make an impact at senior level.

[barelegs]

Getting out played by Monaghan and Armagh in the championship, shouldn't be acceptable to any Tyrone fan.

Why ? are you some sort of superior beings or something ?

I didn't say getting beat was unacceptable, I said getting out played was. I can stomach getting beat if it looks like we've played to our potential. Why should we settle for mediocrity? If you aspire to be a top team, then getting out played (and well beaten) by Armagh and Monaghan should be a wake up call.

[headoftheroad]

"Getting out played by Monaghan and Armagh in the championship, shouldn't be acceptable to any Tyrone fan."

One word to sum up that statement - ARROGANT

[barelegs]

"Getting out played by Monaghan and Armagh in the championship, shouldn't be acceptable to any Tyrone fan."

One word to sum up that statement - ARROGANT

So be it. Would it be acceptable in Kerry or Dublin? That's what Tyrone should be aiming for

[Walter Cronc]

Wise up barelegs, comparing Tyrone to Kerry & Dublin!


The GAA wasnt invented in 2003!

[orangeman]

Wise up barelegs, comparing Tyrone to Kerry & Dublin!


The GAA wasnt invented in 2003!

This is a big part of the problem. The expectation level in Tyrone is huge. Yes, Tyrone had a deadly run in the noughties. But that special team is gone now and Tyrone are back to where they were - competing with the rest of the teams in Ulster and hoping to win an Ulster every now and again. Tyrone have no more right to be beating Armagh or Monaghan than anyone else. Tyrone need to take a step back. Tyrone apparently are in the process of embarking on a plan to see what is going wrong and why they are "underachieving" which to me, whilst they're entitled to do that, appears to me that they've lost track a little and almost feel that they're entitled to more than they're getting at the minute in terms of results.

[Walter Cronc]

Wise up barelegs, comparing Tyrone to Kerry & Dublin!


The GAA wasnt invented in 2003!

This is a big part of the problem. The expectation level in Tyrone is huge. Yes, Tyrone had a deadly run in the noughties. But that special team is gone now and Tyrone are back to where they were - competing with the rest of the teams in Ulster and hoping to win an Ulster every now and again. Tyrone have no more right to be beating Armagh or Monaghan than anyone else. Tyrone need to take a step back. Tyrone apparently are in the process of embarking on a plan to see what is going wrong and why they are "underachieving" which to me, whilst they're entitled to do that, appears to me that they've lost track a little and almost feel that they're entitled to more than they're getting at the minute in terms of results.

Nail on the head as usual Orangeman!