Cavan vs. Armagh, Sun. May 19, Breffni Park, Ulster c'ship prelim

[drici]

[Oraisteach]

Gee, Ciaran O'Hanlon looks awfully exposed at CHF.  Do you think he'll start there?  Who would replace him anyway--T Kernan?  How big is O'Hanlon?  I hope he has good speed and decent enough size.  Sure looks like an attacking format with A. Kernan and Dyas at wing backs.  Looks like a high scoring game potentially.  Hoping for Armagh 3-13 to Cavan's 1-16.  Concerned, though, that with an attacking ethos, our exposed full backs will concede 2 or 3 goals.

[Dirtyball]

Well I have faith in Terry Hyland to put the right team on the pitch and have them motivated. His record is unmatched in Cavan as a manager. I have no problem giving him time to get this team right. I am looking for a good solid performance and I am hoping we sneak a win. I will not be throwing the toys out of the pram if we lose, Armagh are still a little ahead of us.

Nail on the head there Myles lad. Patience is needed. A time will come where we will have to say "it's time to deliver". That time is bit away yet.

.                                                                                                                                          When exactly would you expect the present management to start producing? Given that hyland himself has been in or around the senior set up 4/5 years. Lads like Givney McDermott dunne were all u21 in 2010 . Lads like Murray Meehan seem to have been discarded already and they were u21 in 2011. Fergal Flanagan comes back in for his annual first round of the championship game . He was brutal against Donegal last year and was at fault for Corks last 3 points in the u21 semi . And to call him a senior county footballer is complete nonsense. If you look at last years first round team v Donegal and look at this years team v Armagh there not a lot of similarities to show the management know what they are doing. As a poster here said already hyland played a big part in the downfall of Andrews by not opening his mouth regarding team selection and regarding who was dropped from the panel. He set Val up for a fall and jumped in when Val left. He got 4 and a half years and from the way he is shaping up he will leave it no better than when he joined it all those years ago. Yes he worked wonders with the u21s .but so did Peter Reilly this year. That doesn't make them senior managers. Nor does jumping on the sideline like a headless chicken roaring his guts of make forde and better than a selector with a bit of cop. Armagh by 5 and wait for Terry's work in progress press conference.

[tommysmith]

Well I have faith in Terry Hyland to put the right team on the pitch and have them motivated. His record is unmatched in Cavan as a manager. I have no problem giving him time to get this team right. I am looking for a good solid performance and I am hoping we sneak a win. I will not be throwing the toys out of the pram if we lose, Armagh are still a little ahead of us.

Nail on the head there Myles lad. Patience is needed. A time will come where we will have to say "it's time to deliver". That time is bit away yet.

.                                                                                                                                          When exactly would you  As a poster here said already hyland played a big part in the downfall of Andrews by not opening his mouth regarding team selection and regarding who was dropped from the panel. He set Val up for a fall and jumped in when Val left. He got 4 and a half years and from the way he is shaping up he will leave it no better than when he joined it all those years ago. Yes he worked wonders with the u21s .but so did Peter Reilly this year. That doesn't make them senior managers. Nor does jumping on the sideline like a headless chicken roaring his guts of make forde and better than a selector with a bit of cop. Armagh by 5 and wait for Terry's work in progress press conference.

It was me that made a comment about Hyland and then was near lynched people here will believe what they want but they should also respect other posters opinions and views.

This is Hylands first year as Senior management last year did not count as he came into the job so late (that was the deal that was done with Cavan County Board).  He has 4 years after this year. 

In all fairness to the man, a few things went against the team in the league this year but i must say the most impressive performances where when the few U-21 lads were allowed to play but i think a key problem was the injury to O'Mara as his kickouts were top class and led to midfield being on top.  If promotion had of been achieved and GMAC hadn't done his knee in, we would be looking at this saying we will beat Armagh.  I'm a bit puzzled about the team selection but all we can do now is get behind them and hope for the best.

[mylestheslasher]

Well I have faith in Terry Hyland to put the right team on the pitch and have them motivated. His record is unmatched in Cavan as a manager. I have no problem giving him time to get this team right. I am looking for a good solid performance and I am hoping we sneak a win. I will not be throwing the toys out of the pram if we lose, Armagh are still a little ahead of us.

Nail on the head there Myles lad. Patience is needed. A time will come where we will have to say "it's time to deliver". That time is bit away yet.

.                                                                                                                                          When exactly would you expect the present management to start producing? Given that hyland himself has been in or around the senior set up 4/5 years. Lads like Givney McDermott dunne were all u21 in 2010 . Lads like Murray Meehan seem to have been discarded already and they were u21 in 2011. Fergal Flanagan comes back in for his annual first round of the championship game . He was brutal against Donegal last year and was at fault for Corks last 3 points in the u21 semi . And to call him a senior county footballer is complete nonsense. If you look at last years first round team v Donegal and look at this years team v Armagh there not a lot of similarities to show the management know what they are doing. As a poster here said already hyland played a big part in the downfall of Andrews by not opening his mouth regarding team selection and regarding who was dropped from the panel. He set Val up for a fall and jumped in when Val left. He got 4 and a half years and from the way he is shaping up he will leave it no better than when he joined it all those years ago. Yes he worked wonders with the u21s .but so did Peter Reilly this year. That doesn't make them senior managers. Nor does jumping on the sideline like a headless chicken roaring his guts of make forde and better than a selector with a bit of cop. Armagh by 5 and wait for Terry's work in progress press conference.

You continue to write the obituary before the game has been played. Lets see if you come back on Monday afterwards and say something positive if we win. I have no problem with people being constructive in criticism but the likes of you have nothing to offer and will never be happy.

[T Fearon]

When the two sides met in the Championship in Breffni in 2008, it was Cavan's first game since Sean Brady was made Cardinal (in late 07). He was introduced to the crowd as "Sean Cardinal!" Would give 100 euros or sterling to see Myles' face if something similar was to happen this Sunday!

[mylestheslasher]

When the two sides met in the Championship in Breffni in 2008, it was Cavan's first game since Sean Brady was made Cardinal (in late 07). He was introduced to the crowd as "Sean Cardinal!" Would give 100 euros or sterling to see Myles' face if something similar was to happen this Sunday!

I was there Tony and I wasnt impressed either. No place for that sort of thing in the GAA, it is non denominational.

[T Fearon]

Surely when a native of the County achieves high office or the top office in the land, either clerical (regardless of denomination) or layman, and and ex player as well, the achievement deserves some recognition, or at the very least, there is no harm in fellow gaels according him or her some recognition.

[mylestheslasher]

Surely when a native of the County achieves high office or the top office in the land, either clerical (regardless of denomination) or layman, and and ex player as well, the achievement deserves some recognition, or at the very least, there is no harm in fellow gaels according him or her some recognition.

Perhaps but he wasn't just introduced to the crowd, the two teams lined up and he met each player like the president does at a rugby international. I have never seen it before or since at a GAA match and personally I think it was totally inappropriate. Anyway, this is for football - there is another section for that stuff.

[Westside]

Well I have faith in Terry Hyland to put the right team on the pitch and have them motivated. His record is unmatched in Cavan as a manager. I have no problem giving him time to get this team right. I am looking for a good solid performance and I am hoping we sneak a win. I will not be throwing the toys out of the pram if we lose, Armagh are still a little ahead of us.

Nail on the head there Myles lad. Patience is needed. A time will come where we will have to say "it's time to deliver". That time is bit away yet.

.                                                                                                                                          When exactly would you expect the present management to start producing? Given that hyland himself has been in or around the senior set up 4/5 years. Lads like Givney McDermott dunne were all u21 in 2010 . Lads like Murray Meehan seem to have been discarded already and they were u21 in 2011. Fergal Flanagan comes back in for his annual first round of the championship game . He was brutal against Donegal last year and was at fault for Corks last 3 points in the u21 semi . And to call him a senior county footballer is complete nonsense. If you look at last years first round team v Donegal and look at this years team v Armagh there not a lot of similarities to show the management know what they are doing. As a poster here said already hyland played a big part in the downfall of Andrews by not opening his mouth regarding team selection and regarding who was dropped from the panel. He set Val up for a fall and jumped in when Val left. He got 4 and a half years and from the way he is shaping up he will leave it no better than when he joined it all those years ago. Yes he worked wonders with the u21s .but so did Peter Reilly this year. That doesn't make them senior managers. Nor does jumping on the sideline like a headless chicken roaring his guts of make forde and better than a selector with a bit of cop. Armagh by 5 and wait for Terry's work in progress press conference.

So you decided to join the, what was it you called us.. "lick arses" over here on GAABoard?

Saying that Terry set Val up for a fall is bordering on conspiracy theorist type idiocy. If Val picks a terrible team, then that is Val's issue, he is not a simpleton that Terry was there to look after. And you have absolutely no idea what was going on between them behind the scenes. Maybe there was war between them over team selections, maybe not. But at the end of the day Val had the final say and the buck stops with him, as he said himself many times. Terry Hyland was always going to take over this Cavan team, the CB knew it, we knew it, Val knew it, and Terry knew it. He had no reason to "set him up for a fall" You think Hyland, a man who has given more to Cavan than any manager in the past decade, would be happy to see us fail miserably so he would improve his already massive claim to the managers position? You think he was satisfied to see Antrim come to Breffni and hammer us out the gate? Maybe you're a pathetic man with no integrity but Terry Hyland is not.

Now Hyland is the main man, and the buck will stop with him. And he is well entitled to call this what it is, a long term project that requires work and patience. Now you and the rest of the "experts" in the stand might not like that, but it's the truth. In short, there are a lot of morons in Cavan - including yourself - who want a quick fix that does not exist. You wanted it before 2011 when you said we had the players we just needed the right manager (which was bull), now we have a few decent underage teams (not exceptional) and that ramps up the impatience. Suddenly 2 years after we won our first U21 Ulster title and we should be making huge strides despite the depressingly low ebb we were at in 2010 and that we have almost no quality older Senior Intercounty Players in the county to build these lads around? There has been progress under Hyland this year, small progress but progress. For the last 4 years it has been a downward slope but that has stopped. This is not like turning a Micra in a driveway it's like turning a 747. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. (You)

Also, can you honestly tell me that the U21s in 2010 were that good that we should be making senior progress on the back of that? They won a grand total of TWO games. Do you think anyone remembers who was in the Leinster U21 Final in 2010? Do you think the losing county have raised expectations because their players appeared in an underage final that year?

And yes I do see some similarities between the team that played v Donegal last year and the team v Armagh this Sunday. 8 players are starting again, 2 more would have if Gearoid and McKeever weren't injured, 2 lads are no longer involved, both emmigrated. 5 Subs came on, 4 of whom are still involved. So from the 20 that day 17 are still on the panel either starting, on the bench or injured.

Now for the good of the board and for the genuine supporters on it, please crawl back under your rock, we'll probably be seeing you Sunday evening where you can brand Hyland as the sole cause for anything that might have went wrong. If we manage to pull off a result I hope you won't be too upset.

H'on Cavan!

[anglocelt39]

I'd agree with nearly  everything Westside has to say and it's borne out by Paul Fitz's recent article in the Celt where he pointed out that the last seven years have been our worst in senior championship history and we cant expect a few good years at under 21 level to turn things around straight away. Delighted and all as we should be with the Under 21 progress maybe we should not be getting too carried away with it either. We have allowed our under 21 panels much more space than other counties in the last few years in segregating them from senior panels and this is part of the success formula I think. Maybe our success has been based on panels of 25 who work for each other rather than a couple of really outstanding players.

Having said all that I hope to jasus this "long term project" line is not affecting the heads of any players on the panel. We are up against a relatively young Armagh team in Breffni park and there is every reason we can give them a bloody good game and beat them if players believe we can beat them. Win on Sunday and its a huge boost and the prospect of a few more days out.

Gowan da blues

[tommysmith]

Westside in all fairness the man is entitled to his opinion and to tell him to crawl back under his rock is unfair. 

[Westside]

Westside in all fairness the man is entitled to his opinion and to tell him to crawl back under his rock is unfair.

Casting aspersions on the character of a good man, singling out a 21 year old and calling his inclusion on a County Senior panel as "laughable" Is low. "Supporters" like him disgust me. I stand by what I said.

[tommysmith]

Westside in all fairness the man is entitled to his opinion and to tell him to crawl back under his rock is unfair.

Casting aspersions on the character of a good man, singling out a 21 year old and calling his inclusion on a County Senior panel as "laughable" Is low. "Supporters" like him disgust me. I stand by what I said.

I don't think he did say that?

[anglocelt39]

Is Dirtbag Tommy's alter ego???