Jimmy McGuinness

[Cunny Funt]

For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.

The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.

nothing to do with handpassing the ball across the half back line while being 4 points down.......

Kerry did most of that in the last ten minutes, a case of what we have we hold. Donegal scored 0-12 in that final which was the same total as Dublin scored against Kerry in this years final.

[INDIANA]

For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.

The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.

nothing to do with handpassing the ball across the half back line while being 4 points down.......

Kerry did most of that in the last ten minutes, a case of what we have we hold. Donegal scored 0-12 in that final which was the same total as Dublin scored against Kerry in this years final.

But the difference is we won

[J70]

For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.

The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.

And he explicitly  says in the book that the team, for the first time under him, was very flat that day and that was a failure on his part. He also says he expected they would win the game by five or six points if they performed (overconfidence in the squad an issue?). He claims Kerry did nothing that they didn't expect in terms of tactics. He goes into his justification for putting Paddy McGrath on Paul Geaney, with the height difference being a factor  in the first goal. He even, bizarrely, admits to hoping McFadden's injury time fist off the post wouldn't  go in because he thought they didn't deserve it (hard to believe  that one).

Hardly "nothing".

[ck]

For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.

The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.

And he explicitly  says in the book that the team, for the first time under him, was very flat that day and that was a failure on his part. He also says he expected they would win the game by five or six points if they performed (overconfidence in the squad an issue?). He claims Kerry did nothing that they didn't expect in terms of tactics. He goes into his justification for putting Paddy McGrath on Paul Geaney, with the height difference being a factor  in the first goal. He even, bizarrely, admits to hoping McFadden's injury time fist off the post wouldn't  go in because he thought they didn't deserve it (hard to believe  that one).

Hardly "nothing".

Hoped they didn't score it as they didn't deserve it? Ah c'mon Jimmy.

[skeog]

jims ego knows no bounds mentioning fergie a bit ott

[bcarrier]

mid you he did remove that thug from number one sport on the wall and replaced him with Mick o dwyer  so he cant be all bad

Removing Paul O'Connell from the wall was a crime. The thug got promoted to 2.

[ONeill]

A lot of begrudgery about Jimmy in these parts.

I like Jim but it's the double standards that I don't get.

He could have left the piece about the Rory Gallagher clash out of this edition of his book and wait until the man is gone from the Donegal set up. If it's Jim's mantra "what goes on in the group stays in the group" then Jim has broken his own rule. If all he cares about is Donegal then he has let them down in this instance. I'd say he regrets some aspects of the book.

No one is begrudging.

maybe because the group doesn't exist anymore from the point of view what they were trying to achieve is over. For instance if Cassidy hadn't of said what he did, but said it now he couldn't be kicked out of the group because the purpose of the group is over. It can't be double standards the agreement that was mooted only applied to the time they we in the county panel with Jim as manager, it was a time fixed contract so to speak.

What did Cassidy say? I've read the book back a few times and cannot see anything revealing.

[The Trap]

Have read his book and my overall impression is one of disappointment. Having watched The Late Late Show interview and read the first 50 pages or so I was very much a Jimmy fan given the family heartbreak he had been through but I do think if there were more managers like him in County football it would not be good for the game overall. And here is why:

- county players get pushed to such extremes that they cannot hold down a job
- club players get pushed so much to one side that they just don't matter
- money and financial backing is so integral to success that it cannot be sustained
- egos of managers get so big that they totally lose the run of themselves
- amateur county boards just cant handle the demands placed on them

Nobody can take away the All Ireland Donegal won in 2012 and I would say that Jimmy's positive attitude towards the Ulster Championship was also to be applauded. However to do this he raised the bar so high that I feel it is impossible to be sustained and the game in Donegal and beyond is suffering and will continue to suffer at county and in particular club level.

This is the legacy left behind:

- to be a county player you must train like a professional athlete and will find it very difficult to work
- county players should not play for their clubs whilst still in the All Ireland championship
- county boards should be able to provide professional like facilities/services for their county teams at whatever cost
- if the county manager does not get his was he holds the rest of the county to ransom

Maybe it is after reading Joe Brollys column last week but I don't know why anyone would want to be a county footballer these days. At least they get to be on the pitch I guess...........but how about this.........who the hell would want to be on a county board?

[J70]

All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.

[From the Bunker]

Agree with J70. He's not been doing anything revolutionary in relation to asking the limit from players. Miko was doing it in the 70's and early 80's. McGuinness does not play the nice/fun guy to the media. JMG is a driven man. And this comes across in interviews and general comments. He does not do small talk and the GAA world like small talk. Ger Loughnane could do small talk. Sean Boylan could do small talk. Miko was the king of small talk.

Anyway back to JMG. Winning the AI in 2012 was no fluke. The systems and belief were put in place by McGuinness.

[INDIANA]

All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.

No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.

[JoG2]

All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.

No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.

He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!

[INDIANA]

All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.

No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.

He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!

Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected

[Tony Baloney]

Agree with J70. He's not been doing anything revolutionary in relation to asking the limit from players. Miko was doing it in the 70's and early 80's. McGuinness does not play the nice/fun guy to the media. JMG is a driven man. And this comes across in interviews and general comments. He does not do small talk and the GAA world like small talk. Ger Loughnane could do small talk. Sean Boylan could do small talk. Miko was the king of small talk.

Anyway back to JMG. Winning the AI in 2012 was no fluke. The systems and belief were put in place by McGuinness.

He was never driven enough to get himself a proper job before the age of 30.

[screenexile]

All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.

No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.

He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!

Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected

**Cough Cough**

Yeah says the Dub with all the money, population, and the high performance centre and only 4 paltry All Ireland's in 30 plus years!!!

Your level of begrudgery towards Donegal knows no bounds Indiana get over it they won't be a threat to you lads again it looks like you've finally pulled the fingers out of your holes for the first time in those 30 odd years!!!