Do they serve soup at Windsor Park?

[Cáthasaigh]

I think you are wrong about the British position in this. I reckon if they could get out without being accused of causing a conflict they'd be gone in jig time. They don't give a shit about the 6 counties and would be glad to be shot of them.

Why then did they insist on the constitutional issue being resolved in their favour?

Surely you don't believe Mayhew's lies about Britain having 'no selfish strategic interest?'

[ziggysego]

So if th 6 counties voted for a 32 county, Irish Republic, you'd reject it because it wasn't a 32 county referendum?

Hardly. Do you see a successful 6 county referendum happening any time soon?

Not with all the threat of dissident activity in the north. Hard to foster good relations and build trust, when all this is goIng on.

[Eamonnca1]

OK then, how do you feel about SDLP people taking their seats in Westminster?

I haven't much in the way of feelings for the stoops, they don't represent me and neither do the shinners; who will join them in Westminster in due course.

And if the shinners did take their seats in Westminster how would you feel about that?

[Cáthasaigh]

Cat you do realise you are the one coming across sounding like a fascist nutter.

That's right, I'm the one trolling a thread where somebody had the gall to express an opinion alternate to the establishment mantra.

[Cáthasaigh]

And if the shinners did take their seats in Westminster how would you feel about that?

Unsurprised.

If your aunt had balls would she be your uncle or even your uncledaddy?

[Eamonnca1]

Surely you don't believe Mayhew's lies about Britain having 'no selfish strategic interest?'

2 things: 

1 - It was Brooke, not Sir Paddy, who made the "no selfish strategic interest" speech.

2 - I lived in England long enough to know that the people don't give a toss about the six counties, don't understand what it's doing on their evening news, don't know what the conflict was/is about, and those of them who are actually aware that the place is part of the UK would be only too happy to get shot of it and their government is not too far behind them.

[Eamonnca1]

And if the shinners did take their seats in Westminster how would you feel about that?

Unsurprised.

If your aunt had balls would she be your uncle or even your uncledaddy?

Unsurprised in a good way or a bad way?  Would you think they're being traitors to the cause of Irish unity or something?

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Cat you do realise you are the one coming across sounding like a fascist nutter.

That's right, I'm the one trolling a thread where somebody had the gall to express an opinion alternate to the establishment mantra.

I would be more worried about your webbed feet, hunchback, third nipple and monobrow. How long do they let you out of your cage. I hope the ankle chain is not too uncomfortable as you bang on your keyboard. Inbreeding has a lot to answer for.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

And if the shinners did take their seats in Westminster how would you feel about that?

Unsurprised.

If your aunt had balls would she be your uncle or even your uncledaddy?

Cat stop projecting your own upbringing on others.

[Cáthasaigh]

2 things: 

1 - It was Brooke, not Sir Paddy, who made the "no selfish strategic interest" speech.

2 - I lived in England long enough to know that the people don't give a toss about the six counties, don't understand what it's doing on their evening news, don't know what the conflict was/is about, and those of them who are actually aware that the place is part of the UK would be only too happy to get shot of it and their government is not too far behind them.

There has been no indication that the British establishment (the ones who actually run the place) have any desire to leave Ireland. quite the contrary. Lisbon 1+2 give us a good indication of how much Governments care about the will of their people.

[Eamonnca1]

There has been no indication that the British establishment (the ones who actually run the place) have any desire to leave Ireland. quite the contrary. Lisbon 1+2 give us a good indication of how much Governments care about the will of their people.

You're deluded. Do you really think that a £3 billion annual drain on the exchequer is something the British want to hang on to?

[Cáthasaigh]

Cat stop projecting your own upbringing on others.

[Cáthasaigh]

There has been no indication that the British establishment (the ones who actually run the place) have any desire to leave Ireland. quite the contrary. Lisbon 1+2 give us a good indication of how much Governments care about the will of their people.

You're deluded. Do you really think that a £3 billion annual drain on the exchequer is something the British want to hang on to?

Can you point to ANYTHING which would suggest there is any real desire on the part of the British establishment to leave Ireland? Everything they have done in recent years points to a process of normalisation and perpetuation of the British administrative presence in Ireland.

[Maguire01]

Yes, and you're one of them. The revised Article 3 reads as follows:

1. It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island.

What you're talking about here is seperate referenda. If there was a unilateral referendum in the 26 tomorrow and the people voted for unity they would be ignored. The only referendum that matters to the GFA is the one which can only be called when the British decide it can happen. The whole island should vote together in one referendum.

Yes, but I notice that you 'conveniently' ommitted your comment that I was replying to:

There's nothing in it about a majority in the 26C.

I've pointed out (from the Agreement that "few people have actually read") that it does require a majority in the 26 counties.

As for it being seperate referenda, the agreement states that the participants:
recognise that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland

So for all intents and purposes, it's one referendum. And the one in the 6 counties isn't the only one that matters; both have to be passed.

[Eamonnca1]

There has been no indication that the British establishment (the ones who actually run the place) have any desire to leave Ireland. quite the contrary. Lisbon 1+2 give us a good indication of how much Governments care about the will of their people.

You're deluded. Do you really think that a £3 billion annual drain on the exchequer is something the British want to hang on to?

Can you point to ANYTHING which would suggest there is any real desire on the part of the British establishment to leave Ireland? Everything they have done in recent years points to a process of normalisation and perpetuation of the British administrative presence in Ireland.

1 - The "no selfish strategic economic interest" position

2 - The support for leaving it up to the people of the north to decide rather than just declaring the union to be non-negotiable

3 - The cost of maintaining the place

4 - The pain-in-the-neck perception that the north has in Britain

5 - Every opinion poll I ever saw in England pointed to overwhelming support for British withdrawal

6 - Statements from government ministers (including those among Tory governments) about how the only reason they stay is to maintain the validity of the ballot box but they'll be gone the first chance they get as soon as the people in the north vote for it

7 - The support for the Good Friday Agreement which allows for British withdrawal as soon as a majority in the north has been convinced that it would be a good idea.

Now would you please answer my question about if the Shinners took their seats in Westminster would you consider them to be traitors for doing so.