French military jets over Libya

[Jim_Murphy_74]

when we aspire to be like other countries its always Scandinavian countries norway, Sweden, finland don't see them getting mixed up in this kind of stuff and their economies are doing OK their

While Sweden are not on (yet) this junket they are fairly supportive and are of course part of the international coalition in Afghanistan.

Norway are expressed a wish to be involved but have not partaken.  They had forces in Iraq until 2004 and have forces in Afghanistan

Danish fighters (with approval of their parliament) have already partaken in bombing runs in Libya and have forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Finland are not active in Libya but have not ruled out providing support and have forces in Afghanistan.

On the whole I think it is untrue to state that Scandinavia is not involved in these things.  If we in Ireland were to take their lead, we might have a better economy but would have a lot more involvement in "this kind of stuff"

/Jim.

[lawnseed]

when we aspire to be like other countries its always Scandinavian countries norway, Sweden, finland don't see them getting mixed up in this kind of stuff and their economies are doing OK their

While Sweden are not on (yet) this junket they are fairly supportive and are of course part of the international coalition in Afghanistan.

Norway are expressed a wish to be involved but have not partaken.  They had forces in Iraq until 2004 and have forces in Afghanistan

Danish fighters (with approval of their parliament) have already partaken in bombing runs in Libya and have forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Finland are not active in Libya but have not ruled out providing support and have forces in Afghanistan.

On the whole I think it is untrue to state that Scandinavia is not involved in these things.  If we in Ireland were to take their lead, we might have a better economy but would have a lot more involvement in "this kind of stuff"

/Jim.

yes jim your right the vikings are stuck in this as well, i have to say i'm surprised. this is a very worrying development as countries that we normally see as moderate voices of reason/neutral start squaring up over civil disputes in libya etc.. but as said here they dont care about gaza. even our own country offering to get involved and already involved in afganistan. i dont know where this is going

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

when we aspire to be like other countries its always Scandinavian countries norway, Sweden, finland don't see them getting mixed up in this kind of stuff and their economies are doing OK their

While Sweden are not on (yet) this junket they are fairly supportive and are of course part of the international coalition in Afghanistan.

Norway are expressed a wish to be involved but have not partaken.  They had forces in Iraq until 2004 and have forces in Afghanistan

Danish fighters (with approval of their parliament) have already partaken in bombing runs in Libya and have forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Finland are not active in Libya but have not ruled out providing support and have forces in Afghanistan.

On the whole I think it is untrue to state that Scandinavia is not involved in these things.  If we in Ireland were to take their lead, we might have a better economy but would have a lot more involvement in "this kind of stuff"

/Jim.

yes jim your right the vikings are stuck in this as well, i have to say i'm surprised. this is a very worrying development as countries that we normally see as moderate voices of reason/neutral start squaring up over civil disputes in libya etc.. but as said here they dont care about gaza. even our own country offering to get involved and already involved in afganistan. i dont know where this is going

Obviously you are presuming you are right about this intervention, so that sets the tone of your argument (like all other people including myself).
You may find the practicalities of fighting Israel or China are very different. You can ask countries to intervene in genocide when they have the means to make a difference. To take on a country with very sophisticated conventional weaponry and actual nuclear/biological or chemical capabilites and functioning delivery systems is an entirely different ball game. Its why nobody could run to Georgia's rescueYes I understand that a lot of the reason European or other powers cannot take on Israel or indeed Hezbolla or Hamas is because of the Americans.

Trust me intervention and interference is not just a Western game or a legitimate armed forces game. How about China supply arms to Africa, their dark shadow over Taiwan (yes I understand the argument) & in Africa. Chavez in South America, How about the IRA in Spain or South America. How about India in Bangladesh, how about Iran in Iraq & Lebanon, extreme-Islamic groups worldwide, American-RightWing Christian fanatics in the West Bank, how about Israel in Lebanon, how about Syria in Lebanon, how about Saudi in Israel/Occupied Territories, Ethiopia in Somalia, the list goes on an on.

[winsamsoon]

Why are the Anericans being so coy about their involvement whilst the Brits and the French are stivking their chests out and mouthing away ?

This in spite of out of the 124 missiles fired so far, 122 of them were American missiles.

Simple they don't want to be seen to be involved in entering another country and trying to overthrow a dictator as they have made a mess of all the others. Obama has tried to change this policy very cleverly. He is feeding it to the media that he wishes to make relations between the Islamic world and the West better. whilst he is secretly stepping up campaigns against these terrorists organisations. Doing this in the name of promoting democracy is only accepted by idiots, the real reasons are financial and all done to secure states around the world with the best interests of the big hitters at heart.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

1 United States of America warplane crashed in Libya. The pilots ejected closed to Rebel held territory. It is believed it was mechanical failure of the aircraft.

Coalition forces

US: B-2 stealth bombers; EA-18G Growler and AV-8B Harrier strike aircraft; destroyers USS Barry and USS Stout firing Tomahawk cruise missiles; amphibious assault ship USS Kearsage; command and control vessel USS Mount Whitney; submarines

France: Rafale and Mirage strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and escort ships

UK: Typhoon and Tornado strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; Trafalgar-class submarine firing Tomahawk cruise missiles; frigates HMS Westminster and HMS Cumberland

Italy: Tornado aircraft; providing military bases

Canada: CF-18 strike aircraft; frigate HMCS Charlottetown

Spain: F-18 strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; frigate and submarine; military bases

Denmark: F-16 aircraft

Belgium: F-16 aircraft

[muppet]

Coalition forces

US: B-2 stealth bombers; EA-18G Growler and AV-8B Harrier strike aircraft; destroyers USS Barry and USS Stout firing Tomahawk cruise missiles; amphibious assault ship USS Kearsage; command and control vessel USS Mount Whitney; submarines

France: Rafale and Mirage strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and escort ships

UK: Typhoon and Tornado strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; Trafalgar-class submarine firing Tomahawk cruise missiles; frigates HMS Westminster and HMS Cumberland

Italy: Tornado aircraft; providing military bases

Canada: CF-18 strike aircraft; frigate HMCS Charlottetown

Spain: F-18 strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; frigate and submarine; military bases

Denmark: F-16 aircraft

Belgium: F-16 aircraft

Ireland (Shannon): Jumbo Breakfast Roll 2X$10

[orangeman]

Coalition forces

US: B-2 stealth bombers; EA-18G Growler and AV-8B Harrier strike aircraft; destroyers USS Barry and USS Stout firing Tomahawk cruise missiles; amphibious assault ship USS Kearsage; command and control vessel USS Mount Whitney; submarines

France: Rafale and Mirage strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and escort ships

UK: Typhoon and Tornado strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; Trafalgar-class submarine firing Tomahawk cruise missiles; frigates HMS Westminster and HMS Cumberland

Italy: Tornado aircraft; providing military bases

Canada: CF-18 strike aircraft; frigate HMCS Charlottetown

Spain: F-18 strike aircraft; refuelling and surveillance aircraft; frigate and submarine; military bases

Denmark: F-16 aircraft

Belgium: F-16 aircraft

Ireland (Shannon): Jumbo Breakfast Roll 2X$10

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class.

[orangeman]

Obama trying to get out of this conflict as quickly as he got into it.


It's getting hot and he seems not to want any part of it any longer and is happy to leave the others idiots, Cameron and Sarkozy to deal with the fall out.


The price if gas in the US is getting to his people ?.

[Ulick]

Can't blame him. I can't help feel a twinge of sympathy for Gadaffi now he has all of these people and their war machines lined up against him. Most of us will have a natural empathy with the underdog. As this thing drags out, more people will start of voice their concerns over what is happening even if Sky News and BBC are doing their best to cheer-lead the glorious "allies". People will start asking why they are all so keen to get in there - oil?

What was needed was decisive action. If they wanted rid of him, they needed to go in on the ground last week, all guns blazing, set the rebels up in government, get the f**k out before anyone had time to question what was going on and lap up the goodwill from the new government in the form of oil contracts. It's now beginning to look like the old imperialist powers looking to plunder someone else's natural resources. No sympathy here for them...

[orangeman]

Can't blame him. I can't help feel a twinge of sympathy for Gadaffi now he has all of these people and their war machines lined up against him. Most of us will have a natural empathy with the underdog. As this thing drags out, more people will start of voice their concerns over what is happening even if Sky News and BBC are doing their best to cheer-lead the glorious "allies". People will start asking why they are all so keen to get in there - oil?

What was needed was decisive action. If they wanted rid of him, they needed to go in on the ground last week, all guns blazing, set the rebels up in government, get the f**k out before anyone had time to question what was going on and lap up the goodwill from the new government in the form of oil contracts. It's now beginning to look like the old imperialist powers looking to plunder someone else's natural resources. No sympathy here for them...

To be honest, did it not always appear that way ?.

No oil in sunny Zimbawe ( and a whole lot of other places besides ) but there's not a word about the tyrant that has been bludgeoning his people for more than just a few years now.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

One of these (French Dassault Rafale fighter jet)


just destroyed

one of these (G-2/Galeb )


after it had landed.

At least it might have meant 1 or 2 less dead pilots.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

French have also attacked a Libyian Airforce Base.

[Trout]

Ulick sympathetic to Gaddaffi ! Unbelievable.

[gallsman]

Can't blame him. I can't help feel a twinge of sympathy for Gadaffi now he has all of these people and their war machines lined up against him. Most of us will have a natural empathy with the underdog. As this thing drags out, more people will start of voice their concerns over what is happening even if Sky News and BBC are doing their best to cheer-lead the glorious "allies". People will start asking why they are all so keen to get in there - oil?

What was needed was decisive action. If they wanted rid of him, they needed to go in on the ground last week, all guns blazing, set the rebels up in government, get the f**k out before anyone had time to question what was going on and lap up the goodwill from the new government in the form of oil contracts. It's now beginning to look like the old imperialist powers looking to plunder someone else's natural resources. No sympathy here for them...

Are you kidding me?

[tyssam5]

Can't blame him. I can't help feel a twinge of sympathy for Gadaffi now he has all of these people and their war machines lined up against him. Most of us will have a natural empathy with the underdog. As this thing drags out, more people will start of voice their concerns over what is happening even if Sky News and BBC are doing their best to cheer-lead the glorious "allies". People will start asking why they are all so keen to get in there - oil?

What was needed was decisive action. If they wanted rid of him, they needed to go in on the ground last week, all guns blazing, set the rebels up in government, get the f**k out before anyone had time to question what was going on and lap up the goodwill from the new government in the form of oil contracts. It's now beginning to look like the old imperialist powers looking to plunder someone else's natural resources. No sympathy here for them...

I'm not really understanding you here. In one sentence you are promoting more decisive action leading to oil contracts, in the next criticizing the potential 'plundering' of resources?

Anyway, I thought this article was a good one on the various moral contradictions.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/03/22/libya/index.html