Woman arrested after paint thrown at Harney

[Hound]

You'd expect more from someone that has been elected, but when you see that they are representatives of brain deads in Eirigi I suppose i shouldn't be surprised at all.

She was SF when she got voted in, then left to join Eirigi. Minehan is a sc**bag, pure and simple.

As for Harney, she's a turd, and has done a lot wrong as has been outlined above. But to say she's "destroyed the health service" as seems to be the common theme from most posters is absolute nonsense. Our health service has been poor for at least 30 years. From the cutbacks under Haughey, to all the money thrown at it since then, its been a complete basket case. Harney is Minister for Health because nobody else wanted it. She's getting very little out of it now personally - I'm sure she has sufficient service at this stage to get one of the top pensions, and could happily while away her time in the back benches. But for some reason she wants to continue to bang her head against the brick wall of health and try to come up with something.

She has acheived next-to-nothing, like all her recent predecessors, but there's no doubt she tried. Unlike the others she's at least coming up with ideas, some of them are radical, but they feckin have to be. But its near impossible to get substantive change because of the union powers. They've protested every initiative she's come up with.

And then the media outrage on the private hospital idea, was disgraceful in my view.  There is a lot to be said for the idea, but the media and oppostion just went straight "its a two tier system, therefore its bad", playing on the emotive issues, without any proper debate. So lets keep everyone on the one shítty tier we have now.

Private hospitals in this country provide excellent care, and do so efficiently and profitably (partly because the unions have less power than they do in the public hospitals). Public hospitals in this country, in the main, also provide excellent care - but only when you eventually get seen. By when it could be too late. Harney's idea could well have solved it. It wasn't perfect, and ironically one of the inadequacies was she was charging too high a price to the private operators, but media/oppostion/unions (not to mention all the sheep) refused to get into any reasonable debate to improve the idea. In my view it would have all but eliminated waiting lists and everyone would have gotten better care than ever before. But feck it, lets all just roar and shout about two tier, and leave things as they are...

[glens abu]

It's not the first time you have challenged me when I have said something about the shinners.  Why are you so defensive of them if you don't support them?

So what if I hate them?  What's it to you?

Away and run back to Cyprus St you clown and get another lesson on revisionism from you stickie comrades.You and your Uncle the I Ran Aways.

[Declan]

I've never bought into this argument that politicians are in their choosen profession purely for their own gain. Most could have earned far more money had they pursued another career path.

Do you really believe that after what has happened in this country over the last 30 years?

[Orior]

Okay, so Harney is not without sin. Then again, there are very few politicians who have not lined their nest (the likes of John Hume being the exception). I wont deny that Harney has maximised her position (as well as her figure).

I still think that throwing paint at someone constitutes assault.

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Okay, so Harney is not without sin. Then again, there are very few politicians who have not lined their nest (the likes of John Hume being the exception). I wont deny that Harney has maximised her position (as well as her figure).

I still think that throwing paint at someone constitutes assault.

There's no "think" about it. This behaviour most certainly is an assault.

[An Gaeilgoir]

You'd expect more from someone that has been elected, but when you see that they are representatives of brain deads in Eirigi I suppose i shouldn't be surprised at all.

She was SF when she got voted in, then left to join Eirigi. Minehan is a sc**bag, pure and simple.

As for Harney, she's a turd, and has done a lot wrong as has been outlined above. But to say she's "destroyed the health service" as seems to be the common theme from most posters is absolute nonsense. Our health service has been poor for at least 30 years. From the cutbacks under Haughey, to all the money thrown at it since then, its been a complete basket case. Harney is Minister for Health because nobody else wanted it. She's getting very little out of it now personally - I'm sure she has sufficient service at this stage to get one of the top pensions, and could happily while away her time in the back benches. But for some reason she wants to continue to bang her head against the brick wall of health and try to come up with something.

She has acheived next-to-nothing, like all her recent predecessors, but there's no doubt she tried. Unlike the others she's at least coming up with ideas, some of them are radical, but they feckin have to be. But its near impossible to get substantive change because of the union powers. They've protested every initiative she's come up with.

And then the media outrage on the private hospital idea, was disgraceful in my view.  There is a lot to be said for the idea, but the media and oppostion just went straight "its a two tier system, therefore its bad", playing on the emotive issues, without any proper debate. So lets keep everyone on the one shítty tier we have now.

Private hospitals in this country provide excellent care, and do so efficiently and profitably (partly because the unions have less power than they do in the public hospitals). Public hospitals in this country, in the main, also provide excellent care - but only when you eventually get seen. By when it could be too late. Harney's idea could well have solved it. It wasn't perfect, and ironically one of the inadequacies was she was charging too high a price to the private operators, but media/oppostion/unions (not to mention all the sheep) refused to get into any reasonable debate to improve the idea. In my view it would have all but eliminated waiting lists and everyone would have gotten better care than ever before. But feck it, lets all just roar and shout about two tier, and leave things as they are...

Finally a bit of sense. Does anyone here really know what it is like to make changes in our health system? The trade unions are not for moving, everyone in bedded in to a culture of can't do. The people who really need to get paint bombed are the mandarins in the civil service who are tied into all public sector reform and will not vote for change as it will effect them as well. I listened to a debate this morning, about the proposed severance packages in the HSE, average 120 K package some up to 300 K, retire at 50, full index linked pension for the rest of their days, and the unions are still not happy, GTFO.
If the woman who threw the paint is so confident of her mandate, then resign and  then stand as a eirigi canditate and see what way the chips fall. Also this "working class" bullshit is really begining to grate on me, can somone define working class, as opposed to the "other" classes in society, should  people who work hard to get on in life and try to make something better for their family be ashamed of themselves becuase they dont live in a council estate. Im my opinion anyone who gets up in the morning to do a days work or study to provide for  their family or try to better themselves is now deemed middle class and are stamping all over the "working classes" of this country. Open capitalisim has been shown not to work but, a socialist state and a tearing up of the Good Friday agreement would be a step forward in the right direction (as our Eirigi friends would like) ? One of our finest politicans over the past 20 years, stood in the last election in a "working class" area on a socialist platform and couldn't get elected (Joe Higgins), but went on to become an MEP. All politics/ politicians are about power and status. End of.

[ardmhachaabu]

Okay, so Harney is not without sin. Then again, there are very few politicians who have not lined their nest (the likes of John Hume being the exception). I wont deny that Harney has maximised her position (as well as her figure).

I still think that throwing paint at someone constitutes assault.

I agree

[stephenite]

Bertie Ahern was the main driver of that social partnership bus-his only contributions to any budget Champagne Charlie prepared was to ensure there was money put aside for this as well as the more laudable social welfare increases which were overdue when they were first announced. Cabinet rarely got a look in at the time to the extent that they might only find out the night before what McCreevy had planned.

[Nally Stand]

Okay, so Harney is not without sin. Then again, there are very few politicians who have not lined their nest (the likes of John Hume being the exception). I wont deny that Harney has maximised her position (as well as her figure).

I still think that throwing paint at someone constitutes assault.

I agree

So ardmhacha, you are a self proclaimed pacifist and a former potential priest who feels that throwing paint constitutes assault.....is it not hypocritical to say someone else "deserves to be drowned in a vat of paint" Sorry to keep harping on about this but I'd just like you to clarify it for me??

Thanks

[glens abu]

Okay, so Harney is not without sin. Then again, there are very few politicians who have not lined their nest (the likes of John Hume being the exception). I wont deny that Harney has maximised her position (as well as her figure).

I still think that throwing paint at someone constitutes assault.

I agree

He has to check with his comrades in the lower falls before he can answer.
So ardmhacha, you are a self proclaimed pacifist and a former potential priest who feels that throwing paint constitutes assault.....is it not hypocritical to say someone else "deserves to be drowned in a vat of paint" Sorry to keep harping on about this but I'd just like you to clarify it for me??

Thanks

[Banana Man]

I'm only after getting a look at the blade that threw the paint in the paper there, I have one conlusion - she would definitley get it

[thebigfella]

I'm only after getting a look at the blade that threw the paint in the paper there, I have one conlusion - she would definitley get it

Is she not a fat f**ker like Harney?

[Banana Man]

papers gone from canteen now but i thought she looked A1....

[Hound]

The two tier system did not get attacked because it was bad but because it is wrong.

I know that's your firmly held opinion and of course your well entitled to it. But I completely disagree. There would be absolutely nothing "wrong" with it.

It would be absolutely fair. In fact the only people who could argue it is unfair would be those who pay a mountain of tax, and then pay a big health insurance policy on  top of that to get their healthcare.

The colocated hospitals would ensure that those who choose to pay for private health insurance get treated in private hospitals, which would mean that those who don't pay the insurance get treated in public hospitals without the delay and suffering that goes on now and thus everyone gets improved healthcare. Its absolute common sense - which most of the best ideas are.

I find it absolutely amazing how so many people are anti-it (apart from obviously those on the far left would obviously be against it), and it can only be people don't think it through

[IolarCoisCuain]

This is Miss Minihan: http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jun2008/women_vote_no_to_lisbon_11.jpg

Best of luck Bananaman. You might want to be careful she wouldn't bite it off though. Loopers are like that.