The Many Faces of US Politics...

Started by Tyrones own, March 20, 2009, 09:29:14 PM

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DaleCooper

Smart of the White House to pander to Qanon as the negotiations with Iran stumble

Still. Incredible to see

https://nitter.net/WhiteHouse/status/2069124520661696843#m

seafoid

Cuts from a New York times article from April about the run up to the war.
In the Situation Room on Feb. 11, Mr. Netanyahu made a hard sell, suggesting that Iran was ripe for regime change

The Israelis drove it. One interesting thing is that the US is low in interceptors against missiles. Istaerl must have used them all up during the Genocide

In the Situation Room on Feb. 11, Mr. Netanyahu made a hard sell, suggesting that Iran was ripe for regime change and expressing the belief that a joint U.S.-Israeli mission could finally bring an end to the Islamic Republic.
At one point, the Israelis played for Mr. Trump a brief video that included a montage of potential new leaders who could take over the country if the hard-line government fell. Among those featured was Reza Pahlavi, the exiled son of Iran's last shah, now a Washington-based dissident who had tried to position himself as a secular leader who could shepherd Iran toward a post-theocratic government.
Mr. Netanyahu and his team outlined conditions they portrayed as pointing to near-certain victory: Iran's ballistic missile program could be destroyed in a few weeks. The regime would be so weakened that it could not choke off the Strait of Hormuz, and the likelihood that Iran would land blows against U.S. interests in neighboring countries was assessed as minimal.
Besides, Mossad's intelligence indicated that street protests inside Iran would begin again and — with the impetus of the Israeli spy agency helping to foment riots and rebellion — an intense bombing campaign could foster the conditions for the Iranian opposition to overthrow the regime. The Israelis also raised the prospect of Iranian Kurdish fighters crossing the border from Iraq to open a ground front in the northwest, further stretching the regime's forces and accelerating its collapse.
When others in the room asked the prime minister about possible risks in the operation, Mr. Netanyahu acknowledged these but made one central point: In his view, the risks of inaction were greater than the risks of action. He argued that the price of action would only grow if they delayed striking and allowed Iran more time to accelerate its missile production and create a shield of immunity around its nuclear program.
They had broken down Mr. Netanyahu's presentation into four parts.
First was decapitation — killing the ayatollah.
Second was crippling Iran's capacity to project power and threaten its neighbors.
Third was a popular uprising inside Iran.
And fourth was regime change, with a secular leader installed to govern the country.


The U.S. officials assessed that the first two objectives were achievable with American intelligence and military power. They assessed that the third and fourth parts of Mr. Netanyahu's pitch, which included the possibility of the Kurds mounting a ground invasion of Iran, were detached from reality.
When Mr. Trump joined the meeting, Mr. Ratcliffe briefed him on the assessment. The C.I.A. director used one word to describe the Israeli prime minister's regime change scenarios: "farcical."
General Caine replied: "Sir, this is, in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They oversell, and their plans are not always well-developed. They know they need us, and that's why they're hard-selling."
General Caine shared with Mr. Trump and others the alarming military assessment that a major campaign against Iran would drastically deplete stockpiles of American weaponry, including missile interceptors, whose supply had been strained after years of support for Ukraine and Israel. General Caine saw no clear path to quickly replenishing these stockpiles.
He also flagged the enormous difficulty of securing the Strait of Hormuz and the risks of Iran blocking it. Mr. Trump had dismissed that possibility on the assumption that the regime would capitulate before it came to that. The president appeared to think it would be a very quick war — an impression that had been reinforced by the tepid response to the U.S. bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities in June.
Back in office for a second term, Mr. Trump's confidence in the U.S. military's abilities had only grown. He was especially emboldened by the spectacular commando raid to capture the Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro from his compound on Jan. 3. No American lives were lost in the operation, yet more evidence to the president of the unmatched prowess of U.S. forces.
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Mr. Vance raised other concerns, too. As vice president, he was aware of the scope of America's munitions problem. A war against a regime with enormous will for survival could leave the United States in a far worse position to fight conflicts for some years.
Tucker Carlson, the commentator who had emerged as another prominent skeptic of intervention on the right, had come to the Oval Office several times over the previous year to warn Mr. Trump that a war with Iran would destroy his presidency. A couple weeks before the war began, Mr. Trump, who had known Mr. Carlson for years, tried to reassure him over the phone. "I know you're worried about it, but it's going to be OK," the president said. Mr. Carlson asked how he knew. "Because it always is," Mr. Trump replied.
Mr. Cheung laid out the likely public relations fallout: Mr. Trump had run for office opposed to further wars. People had not voted for conflict overseas. The plans ran contrary, too, to everything the administration had said after the bombing campaign against Iran in June. How would they explain away eight months of insisting that Iranian nuclear facilities had been totally obliterated? Mr. Cheung gave neither a yes nor a no, but he said that whatever decision Mr. Trump made would be the right one.
General Caine was sober, laying out the risks and what the campaign would mean for munitions depletion.
When it was his turn to speak, Mr. Rubio offered more clarity, telling the president: If our goal is regime change or an uprising, we shouldn't do it. But if the goal is to destroy Iran's missile program, that's a goal we can achieve.
Everyone deferred to the president's instincts. They had seen him make bold decisions, take on unfathomable risks and somehow come out on top. No one would impede him now.
"I think we need to do it," the president told the room. He said they had to make sure Iran could not have a nuclear weapon, and they had to ensure that Iran could not just shoot missiles at Israel or throughout the region.

seafoid

Huge Michigan Democratic primary between the anti Zionist Abdel el Sayed and the pro AIPAC Haley Stevens this evening.
AIPAC has put $60m into the race.

bannside

Could this be the grain of rice that tips the balance. 49% to 47% with 90% vote in.

tiempo

Its not to be sniffed at, more of the same much needed

DaleCooper

"Michigan Voter: I'm not voting for anybody who takes money from AIPAC.

CNN: Why is that?

MV: Because the money should be spent here, not over there".

This is a small revolution that should terrify Americas greatest ally.

It used to be anyone talking about AIPAC would be smeared by the entertainment/news media complex & destroyed. Not anymore.

The entitlement of Israel coupled with the sellout political class is incredible, as US infrastructure falls apart.


seafoid

Quote from: DaleCooper on August 05, 2026, 10:33:54 AM"Michigan Voter: I'm not voting for anybody who takes money from AIPAC.

CNN: Why is that?

MV: Because the money should be spent here, not over there".

This is a small revolution that should terrify Americas greatest ally.

It used to be anyone talking about AIPAC would be smeared by the entertainment/news media complex & destroyed. Not anymore.

The entitlement of Israel coupled with the sellout political class is incredible, as US infrastructure falls apart.


CNN is owned by Keith Ellison and is rabidly Zionist.

https://x.com/OunkaOnX/status/2043203457352671371
Rick Sanchez, a veteran who climbed the ranks of CNN, Fox, and NBC, says the unspoken rule is simple: "If you say something positive toward Iran or antagonistic toward Israel, you're done. You're finished. You're fired." Not just fired — blacklisted. They will make sure you never work again. This is how deep Israel lobby controls the narrative"

https://x.com/SocialistMMA/status/2042253342609404306
CNN claims that voices on the left and right uniting on their opposition to the Iran war is deeply rooted in "antisemitism"

https://x.com/_iamblakeley/status/2079048546968305692
I am once again reminding everyone that Tapper Jake is an Islamophobic, fanatical Zionist lunatic who perpetuated the "beheaded babies" hoax, the "mass rapes on October 7th" hoax, and now is auditioning for Bari Weiss.

https://x.com/chrisbrunet/status/2027665287982502195
CNN put out an article 33 minutes ago saying that this attack is for "Amalek" and to "fulfill the mitzvah of remembering Amalek"

Jake Tapper is awful


dec

Quote from: bannside on August 05, 2026, 07:06:16 AMCould this be the grain of rice that tips the balance. 49% to 47% with 90% vote in.
Winning a Democratic primary is different from winning a general election.

DaleCooper

It is interesting Israel spent $32million on it to no avail. They managed to jettison Massie earlier in the year.

J70

Quote from: dec on August 05, 2026, 04:56:12 PM
Quote from: bannside on August 05, 2026, 07:06:16 AMCould this be the grain of rice that tips the balance. 49% to 47% with 90% vote in.
Winning a Democratic primary is different from winning a general election.


True.

But this is likely to be a wave year for Democrats. Given the disgust with Trump and the historical record, it would take something extraordinary for the House to stay red.

El Sayed has a good shot if he campaigns well.

You can tell the GOP are already worried as the RNC started referring to him today as Abdulrahman Mohamed El Sayed!

Nothing like a bit of Islamophobia to get GOP base juices flowing, on top of the COMMUNISTS!! campaign which has also been underway for the past month.

J70

Quote from: seafoid on August 05, 2026, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: DaleCooper on August 05, 2026, 10:33:54 AM"Michigan Voter: I'm not voting for anybody who takes money from AIPAC.

CNN: Why is that?

MV: Because the money should be spent here, not over there".

This is a small revolution that should terrify Americas greatest ally.

It used to be anyone talking about AIPAC would be smeared by the entertainment/news media complex & destroyed. Not anymore.

The entitlement of Israel coupled with the sellout political class is incredible, as US infrastructure falls apart.


CNN is owned by Keith Ellison and is rabidly Zionist.

https://x.com/OunkaOnX/status/2043203457352671371
Rick Sanchez, a veteran who climbed the ranks of CNN, Fox, and NBC, says the unspoken rule is simple: "If you say something positive toward Iran or antagonistic toward Israel, you're done. You're finished. You're fired." Not just fired — blacklisted. They will make sure you never work again. This is how deep Israel lobby controls the narrative"

https://x.com/SocialistMMA/status/2042253342609404306
CNN claims that voices on the left and right uniting on their opposition to the Iran war is deeply rooted in "antisemitism"

https://x.com/_iamblakeley/status/2079048546968305692
I am once again reminding everyone that Tapper Jake is an Islamophobic, fanatical Zionist lunatic who perpetuated the "beheaded babies" hoax, the "mass rapes on October 7th" hoax, and now is auditioning for Bari Weiss.

https://x.com/chrisbrunet/status/2027665287982502195
CNN put out an article 33 minutes ago saying that this attack is for "Amalek" and to "fulfill the mitzvah of remembering Amalek"

Jake Tapper is awful



He is.

But by US media standards, he is a shining light of nobility!

seafoid

Labor gets 43% of income, the lowest ever.
Ted Cruz sez neoliberalism delivers prosperity.