The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

Well maybe it a not what you intended to say, but it's what you said.

If you don't accept an extremist coup against a perfectly good decent Democrat, then the GOP are welcome to you

Don't believe me.....people in your own party are saying it!

Its a two-party system.

Sometimes your own party is going to put up a candidate you don't like.

When that happens, you're option is to stick with your own party, to abstain, or to vote for the other party.

In this case, the other party has sold its soul to an irrational, anti-intellectual rabble that is currently a personality cult in the service of Donald Trump.

If the occasional objectionable candidate from your own party is driving you into the arms of the GOP, then I don't know what to tell you.

Big difference between a party putting up a candidate you don't like and a party taking out a really good candidate that you do like, through lies distortions and outside money and endorsements

You don't understand the American democratic process

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Get that keyboard fixed

And learn about the American democratic process for selecting candidates

Because you haven't a clue about it

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[sid waddell]

Get some kip whitey, you badly need it

[Eamonnca1]

Extreme Republicans want to ban abortion, stop you getting the healthcare coverage that you need, stop minorities from voting, ban immigration, deport the undocumented, steal children from their parents and traffic them away, and force religion down everyone's throats, unionist style.

Extreme Democrats want to give everyone healthcare.

I know which "extreme" I'm more comfortable with.

[J70]

Well maybe it a not what you intended to say, but it's what you said.

If you don't accept an extremist coup against a perfectly good decent Democrat, then the GOP are welcome to you

Don't believe me.....people in your own party are saying it!

Its a two-party system.

Sometimes your own party is going to put up a candidate you don't like.

When that happens, you're option is to stick with your own party, to abstain, or to vote for the other party.

In this case, the other party has sold its soul to an irrational, anti-intellectual rabble that is currently a personality cult in the service of Donald Trump.

If the occasional objectionable candidate from your own party is driving you into the arms of the GOP, then I don't know what to tell you.

Big difference between a party putting up a candidate you don't like and a party taking out a really good candidate that you do like, through lies distortions and outside money and endorsements

So your alternative is to go to the GOP who are proudly defined by lies, distortions and outside money and endorsements??

[Franko]

Extreme Republicans want to ban abortion, stop you getting the healthcare coverage that you need, stop minorities from voting, ban immigration, and force religion down everyone's throats, unionist style.

Extreme Democrats want to give everyone healthcare.

I know which "extreme" I'm more comfortable with.

I don't necessarily agree that it's just as simple as that but I never understood the American aversion to universal healthcare (especially among 'working class' folks).

It's something which is looked upon very positively by almost all in the UK (barring the Farage/Rees-Mogg/Old Money types).

And lets face it, the UK is hardly a bastion of socialism.

[whitey]

Well maybe it a not what you intended to say, but it's what you said.

If you don't accept an extremist coup against a perfectly good decent Democrat, then the GOP are welcome to you

Don't believe me.....people in your own party are saying it!

Its a two-party system.

Sometimes your own party is going to put up a candidate you don't like.

When that happens, you're option is to stick with your own party, to abstain, or to vote for the other party.

In this case, the other party has sold its soul to an irrational, anti-intellectual rabble that is currently a personality cult in the service of Donald Trump.

If the occasional objectionable candidate from your own party is driving you into the arms of the GOP, then I don't know what to tell you.

Big difference between a party putting up a candidate you don't like and a party taking out a really good candidate that you do like, through lies distortions and outside money and endorsements

So your alternative is to go to the GOP who are proudly defined by lies, distortions and outside money and endorsements??

LOL-

J70......did it ever occur to you that if theyre willing to make up a pack of lies about a moderate Democrat, theyll do exactly the same thing to a moderate Republican. 

Maybe the Republican these disgruntled Democrat is now voting for isn't exactly as bad as the extreme left is painting him/her

Mitt Romney and John McCain spring to mind

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bill-maher-democrats-trump-romney-mccain-2016-11%3famp

[J70]

Well maybe it a not what you intended to say, but it's what you said.

If you don't accept an extremist coup against a perfectly good decent Democrat, then the GOP are welcome to you

Don't believe me.....people in your own party are saying it!

Its a two-party system.

Sometimes your own party is going to put up a candidate you don't like.

When that happens, you're option is to stick with your own party, to abstain, or to vote for the other party.

In this case, the other party has sold its soul to an irrational, anti-intellectual rabble that is currently a personality cult in the service of Donald Trump.

If the occasional objectionable candidate from your own party is driving you into the arms of the GOP, then I don't know what to tell you.

Big difference between a party putting up a candidate you don't like and a party taking out a really good candidate that you do like, through lies distortions and outside money and endorsements

So your alternative is to go to the GOP who are proudly defined by lies, distortions and outside money and endorsements??

LOL-

J70......did it ever occur to you that if theyre willing to make up a pack of lies about a moderate Democrat, theyll do exactly the same thing to a moderate Republican. 

Maybe the Republican these disgruntled Democrat is now voting for isn't exactly as bad as the extreme left is painting him/her

Mitt Romney and John McCain spring to mind

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bill-maher-democrats-trump-romney-mccain-2016-11%3famp

1.Can't you make your own argument?

2. Maher is making a point in the light of how extreme TRUMP is. That the GOP doubled down and took their ideological evolution to its logical conclusion is NOT a plus point for your argument. And its not the fault of the Democrats.

3. Romney and McCain were NOT painted as extremists or lied about. FFS Romney was labeled in the primaries (by his GOP colleagues) as a "vulture capitalist" on acccount of his work at Bain. HE made the 47% remark. He ran a campaign based on "makers and takers". McCain launched the odious Sarah Palin, basically the proto-Trump, onto the national landscape. He could have went with his preferred option, Joe Lieberman, but he gave in to the party to shore up the extremist GOP base. Both are/were way, way above Trump as men and politicians, but they were not subjected to anything out of the ordinary in terms of US political discourse. In case you've forgotten, the GOP and the right wing media went crazy with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers and the birther/muslim shit.

4. You still haven't explained why the current GOP is apparently a better option for the disgruntled white working class dude than the current Democratic Party.

[sid waddell]

Extreme Republicans want to ban abortion, stop you getting the healthcare coverage that you need, stop minorities from voting, ban immigration, and force religion down everyone's throats, unionist style.

Extreme Democrats want to give everyone healthcare.

I know which "extreme" I'm more comfortable with.

I don't necessarily agree that it's just as simple as that but I never understood the American aversion to universal healthcare (especially among 'working class' folks).

It's something which is looked upon very positively by almost all in the UK (barring the Farage/Rees-Mogg/Old Money types).

And lets face it, the UK is hardly a bastion of socialism.

It pretty much is as simple as that though

The aversion to universal healthcare in the US comes from many decades of pearl clutching, fear mongering, McCarthyite propaganda

Wendell Potter, a former private healthcare executive turned whistle blower, has written some good stuff about how they frame a terrible private insurance system as something good, through positive trigger words

https://twitter.com/wendellpotter/status/1206623259698974724

[whitey]

Well maybe it a not what you intended to say, but it's what you said.

If you don't accept an extremist coup against a perfectly good decent Democrat, then the GOP are welcome to you

Don't believe me.....people in your own party are saying it!

Its a two-party system.

Sometimes your own party is going to put up a candidate you don't like.

When that happens, you're option is to stick with your own party, to abstain, or to vote for the other party.

In this case, the other party has sold its soul to an irrational, anti-intellectual rabble that is currently a personality cult in the service of Donald Trump.

If the occasional objectionable candidate from your own party is driving you into the arms of the GOP, then I don't know what to tell you.

Big difference between a party putting up a candidate you don't like and a party taking out a really good candidate that you do like, through lies distortions and outside money and endorsements

So your alternative is to go to the GOP who are proudly defined by lies, distortions and outside money and endorsements??

LOL-

J70......did it ever occur to you that if theyre willing to make up a pack of lies about a moderate Democrat, theyll do exactly the same thing to a moderate Republican. 

Maybe the Republican these disgruntled Democrat is now voting for isn't exactly as bad as the extreme left is painting him/her

Mitt Romney and John McCain spring to mind

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bill-maher-democrats-trump-romney-mccain-2016-11%3famp

1.Can't you make your own argument?

2. Maher is making a point in the light of how extreme TRUMP is. That the GOP doubled down and took their ideological evolution to its logical conclusion is NOT a plus point for your argument. And its not the fault of the Democrats.

3. Romney and McCain were NOT painted as extremists or lied about. FFS Romney was labeled in the primaries (by his GOP colleagues) as a "vulture capitalist" on acccount of his work at Bain. HE made the 47% remark. He ran a campaign based on "makers and takers". McCain launched the odious Sarah Palin, basically the proto-Trump, onto the national landscape. He could have went with his preferred option, Joe Lieberman, but he gave in to the party to shore up the extremist GOP base. Both are/were way, way above Trump as men and politicians, but they were not subjected to anything out of the ordinary in terms of US political discourse. In case you've forgotten, the GOP and the right wing media went crazy with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers and the birther/muslim shit.

4. You still haven't explained why the current GOP is apparently a better option for the disgruntled white working class dude than the current Democratic Party.

Forget about McCain and Romney for a moment....I shouldn't have included that as it only opened up a whole different discussion

Let's say I'm a huge Brendan Boyle supporter and my guy gets taken out in a primary by gross misrepresention of his record.....I'll go as far as saying flat out lies. And let's say this race gets flooded with Huge outside money that Boyle can't compete with.

Okay now it's general election time and there's a halfway decent middle of the road Republican candidate up against the person who just ousted Boyle......am I going to automatically vote for the Democrat?

And just because the Democrats paint the Republican as some type of extremist,  doesn't mean I'm buying it, because these same people just painted my guy as something he's not

[J70]

I'm not denying there may be a few decent Republicans out there. I've no issue with people like Ben Sasse, who I would oppose completely politically, but who at least is a decent, mainstream politician. I've no issue with men like the GOP governors of VT, MA and MD, all moderates.

But these are not powerful politicians on a national scale, and never will be, because they are unacceptable to the GOP as candidates for national office. Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan or someone like them will NEVER be president or nominated for president, at least by the GOP.

I'm talking about all the white working class people who went with Trump, especially this time out when a man like Biden was available to them as an option.

Are you saying that all of these people, after all these time, reject that Trump is an extremist?

[screenexile]

Extreme Republicans want to ban abortion, stop you getting the healthcare coverage that you need, stop minorities from voting, ban immigration, and force religion down everyone's throats, unionist style.

Extreme Democrats want to give everyone healthcare.

I know which "extreme" I'm more comfortable with.

I don't necessarily agree that it's just as simple as that but I never understood the American aversion to universal healthcare (especially among 'working class' folks).

It's something which is looked upon very positively by almost all in the UK (barring the Farage/Rees-Mogg/Old Money types).

And lets face it, the UK is hardly a bastion of socialism.

I agree I mean on the face of it Universal Healthcare is a hugely positive thing for everyone isn't it??

Having said that "The American Dream" means that everyone thinks they can be rich and they don't want to ne the one to have to pay for anyone else. The same thing with Biden's tax hike.

The tax hike was for those people who make over $400k a year (and only a tax on the earnings you make above $400k)  which is about 1.8% of the population yet it was roundly unpopular. Most people think they will make it big and so even though they're not making the money now they don't want to have to be paying more in the future.

It's a very positive mindset for the long term but seems like many are cutting their nose off to spite their face!!

[whitey]

I'm not denying there may be a few decent Republicans out there. I've no issue with people like Ben Sasse, who I would oppose completely politically, but who at least is a decent, mainstream politician. I've no issue with men like the GOP governors of VT, MA and MD, all moderates.

But these are not powerful politicians on a national scale, and never will be, because they are unacceptable to the GOP as candidates for national office. Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan or someone like them will NEVER be president or nominated for president, at least by the GOP.

I'm talking about all the white working class people who went with Trump, especially this time out when a man like Biden was available to them as an option.

Are you saying that all of these people, after all these time, reject that Trump is an extremist?

FFS Hickenlooper was so afraid of the squad and the Bernie Bro's he couldn't even admit to being a capitalist on National TV.....you're waaayyy underestimating the power these people have. So if I'm a swing voter in CO how do I not view Hickenlooper as just a lackey for the far left

And how many working class people have family members in law enforcement ?  Quite a few that I know have

Joes campaign staff contributed to a bail fund for people who participated in a riot where officers were seriously injured....how do you think that would sit with these people. They might not like the Republican but they sure as heck aren't going to vote for the Democrat

[sid waddell]

I'm not denying there may be a few decent Republicans out there. I've no issue with people like Ben Sasse, who I would oppose completely politically, but who at least is a decent, mainstream politician. I've no issue with men like the GOP governors of VT, MA and MD, all moderates.

But these are not powerful politicians on a national scale, and never will be, because they are unacceptable to the GOP as candidates for national office. Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan or someone like them will NEVER be president or nominated for president, at least by the GOP.

I'm talking about all the white working class people who went with Trump, especially this time out when a man like Biden was available to them as an option.

Are you saying that all of these people, after all these time, reject that Trump is an extremist?

People like Sasse and Baker may not be fascists themselves but they have not spoken out against it

This is the phenomemon of the "Good German"

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

This is as true today as it was in the 1930s

[J70]

I'm not denying there may be a few decent Republicans out there. I've no issue with people like Ben Sasse, who I would oppose completely politically, but who at least is a decent, mainstream politician. I've no issue with men like the GOP governors of VT, MA and MD, all moderates.

But these are not powerful politicians on a national scale, and never will be, because they are unacceptable to the GOP as candidates for national office. Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan or someone like them will NEVER be president or nominated for president, at least by the GOP.

I'm talking about all the white working class people who went with Trump, especially this time out when a man like Biden was available to them as an option.

Are you saying that all of these people, after all these time, reject that Trump is an extremist?

FFS Hickenlooper was so afraid of the squad and the Bernie Bro's he couldn't even admit to being a capitalist on National TV.....you're waaayyy underestimating the power these people have. So if I'm a swing voter in CO how do I not view Hickenlooper as just a lackey for the far left

And how many working class people have family members in law enforcement ?  Quite a few that I know have

Joes campaign staff contributed to a bail fund for people who participated in a riot where officers were seriously injured....how do you think that would sit with these people. They might not like the Republican but they sure as heck aren't going to vote for the Democrat

Hickenlooper was the governor of CO for christ's sake. I think the people of CO were likely well aware of what he stood for. And if he didn't have the balls to stand up to the Bernie bros, that's on him. Must be partly why he got nowhere in his presidential campaign.

And so what if some Biden staffers contributed to the bail fund? If cop families are that sensitive to this specific issue, I wonder what they'd find if they looked into the contributions of Republican staffers? The candidate himself was pretty clear where he stood on the riots and policing. Are all GOP candidates beholden to the views and contributions of individual staff members on their campaign, including those way down on the totem pole? How many staffers does a typical presidential campaign have?

Are these cop families happy with the views of Stephen Miller or Jeff Sessions or Steve Bannon or Paul Manafort or any of the multitudes of other Trump campaign people?

You bend over backwards to excuse those who vote for Trump, putting as much blame as you can on Democrats.

Maybe they just f**king agree with his odious opinions and worldview.

[J70]

I'm not denying there may be a few decent Republicans out there. I've no issue with people like Ben Sasse, who I would oppose completely politically, but who at least is a decent, mainstream politician. I've no issue with men like the GOP governors of VT, MA and MD, all moderates.

But these are not powerful politicians on a national scale, and never will be, because they are unacceptable to the GOP as candidates for national office. Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan or someone like them will NEVER be president or nominated for president, at least by the GOP.

I'm talking about all the white working class people who went with Trump, especially this time out when a man like Biden was available to them as an option.

Are you saying that all of these people, after all these time, reject that Trump is an extremist?

People like Sasse and Baker may not be fascists themselves but they have not spoken out against it

This is the phenomemon of the "Good German"

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

This is as true today as it was in the 1930s

I'll take what I can get with the current GOP.

Very few of them are willing to stick their head above the parapet.