The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

Yes-and Both Democrats and Republicans do it

I expect there's plenty of conservative support out there for independent commissions to draw up up fair districts then?

That soon we won't be seeing the GOP controlling state houses and Congressional representation when they're significantly outvoted?

What about Democrats encouraging illegals to move to their states by offering them welfare, thereby increasing their representation in Congress? Get off your high horse....both patties are a fvckin disgrace

[J70]

Yes-and Both Democrats and Republicans do it

I expect there's plenty of conservative support out there for independent commissions to draw up up fair districts then?

That soon we won't be seeing the GOP controlling state houses and Congressional representation when they're significantly outvoted?

What about Democrats encouraging illegals to move to their states by offering them welfare, thereby increasing their representation in Congress? Get off your high horse....both patties are a fvckin disgrace

1. You'll have to provide some evidence that Democrats are trying to swell their populations by offering welfare so they can increase their states congressional representation.

2. Do you not agree that congressional districts should be drawn up by independent, non-partisan bodies?

[omochain]

Whitey: Here ya go again ...... False equivalency and the racist dog whistling. Do me a favor and read this article. It may help you identify who Trump's base are and redirect your constant outrage at the Dems.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/04/the-american-civil-war-didnt-end-and-trump-is-a-confederate-president

[sid waddell]

Whitey: Here ya go again ...... False equivalency and the racist dog whistling. Do me a favor and read this article. It may help you identify who Trump's base are and redirect your constant outrage at the Dems.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/04/the-american-civil-war-didnt-end-and-trump-is-a-confederate-president

Look it, anybody who hasn't recognised by this stage that Trump and the Republicans are white supremacists to their core is away with the fairies. And it was obvious right from the start.

What Trump said about Obama last night, when he called him human scum, is straight out of Nazi Germany. That's genuinely where right-wing America is now.

That eejit you're replying to is living on Earth 2, as Maddow correctly pointed out about the right-wing media in the US a few weeks back. You'd get more sense out of a duck, and less quackery.

[whitey]

Democrats Good/Republicans Bad

That seems to be the extent of the mental capacity of some people on here

The Democrats are a big a bunch of fvckin scumbags as the Republicans

[omochain]

Hiding behind the false equivalency again .. Whitey

[sid waddell]

False equivalence is the tool of the right wing nutcase everywhere, from Russia to Britain to Brazil and and of course the US. There literally isn't a Trump supporting troll on the internet who doesn't use it as their go to tactic.

Publc discourse has entered into a very, very dark era indeed. There are a lot of people who have chosen to live in an alternate universe, who have dispensed entirely with the concept of truth, and who literally only believe what they want to believe. When that happens, kleptcracy and fascism wins. Trump style fascism is the logical outcome of that.

And his "Death Star" is only getting going. It will create an even more nightmarish, Goebbels/Russian style propaganda environment than we're already experiencing. This sort of propaganda environment is an existential threat to democracy and to free society throughout the world, and indeed to the planet itself.

[whitey]

So what do you think of what happened with Flynn and the lawbreaking by the FBI?

What do you think of the FISA abuse and the 17 "errors"? (Which included perjury and forgery)

What do you think of one campaign feeding a bogus "dossier" to corrupt FBI agents to launch an investigation into a rival campaign?

If you aren't completely outraged, you are living in an alternate universe on a parallel with any you accuse others of living in!

[Gabriel_Hurl]

what about
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what about the king of the what abouts?

[sid waddell]

I haven't heard as many what abouts since Earthsong by Michael Jackson.

In the Trumpbot's case it should be Earth 2 Song.

Michael Flynn was doing Russia's bidding inside the White House, flagrantly lied to the FBI about it, and was a bounty hunter for Erdogan who wanted the US based cleric Gulen kidnapped and brought to Turkey to be executed.

Flynn is a traitor to the US and a serious danger to society, like all of the Trump regime.

William Barr is Trump's equivalent of Carl Schmitt. Schmitt was the legal expert who enabled Nazi criminality by driving a coach and fifty horses through the rule of law. Trump brought Barr in to do exactly that.

The Trump regime is a trans-national crime syndicate masquerading as a government.

Trump has been involved with the Russian mafia since the 1980s and the Republican party is now effectively a wholly owned subsidiary of the Kremlin and its mafia.

That's what actually happening on the real planet Earth - but not on the make believe one on which a couple of prize morons here live.

[whitey]

I haven't heard as many what abouts since Earthsong by Michael Jackson.

In the Trumpbot's case it should be Earth 2 Song.

Michael Flynn was doing Russia's bidding inside the White House, flagrantly lied to the FBI about it, and was a bounty hunter for Erdogan who wanted the US based cleric Gulen kidnapped and brought to Turkey to be executed.

Flynn is a traitor to the US and a serious danger to society, like all of the Trump regime.

William Barr is Trump's equivalent of Carl Schmitt. Schmitt was the legal expert who enabled Nazi criminality by driving a coach and fifty horses through the rule of law. Trump brought Barr in to do exactly that.

The Trump regime is a trans-national crime syndicate masquerading as a government.

Trump has been involved with the Russian mafia since the 1980s and the Republican party is now effectively a wholly owned subsidiary of the Kremlin and its mafia.

That's what actually happening on the real planet Earth - but not on the make believe one on which a couple of prize morons here live.

Where did you come up with all that-CNN?

[omochain]

So what do you think of what happened with Flynn and the lawbreaking by the FBI?

What do you think of the FISA abuse and the 17 "errors"? (Which included perjury and forgery)

What do you think of one campaign feeding a bogus "dossier" to corrupt FBI agents to launch an investigation into a rival campaign?

If you aren't completely outraged, you are living in an alternate universe on a parallel with any you accuse others of living in!

Whitey. Flynn was operating as an agent for a foreign government during the transition and after.. he lied about it and pleaded guilty to lying. Jeeezzz for once can you lift your head out of trees and see the wood.

[whitey]

So what do you think of what happened with Flynn and the lawbreaking by the FBI?

What do you think of the FISA abuse and the 17 "errors"? (Which included perjury and forgery)

What do you think of one campaign feeding a bogus "dossier" to corrupt FBI agents to launch an investigation into a rival campaign?

If you aren't completely outraged, you are living in an alternate universe on a parallel with any you accuse others of living in!

Whitey. Flynn was operating as an agent for a foreign government during the transition and after.. he lied about it and pleaded guilty to lying. Jeeezzz for once can you lift your head out of trees and see the wood.

So why did Page and Strzok alter the 302 if they had an open and shut case?

Why were the emails and texts between Strzok and Page surrounding the setting up of the interview concealed from Flynn's originals defense team, when by law the FBI Agents involved were obligated to hand them all over?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/rewrite-in-flynns-case-shows-fbi-needs-reform-11588541993


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U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Jensen found much wrong with the Federal Bureau of Investigation's investigation of Mike Flynn. An aspect that deserves more attention than it has received is the alteration of an FBI agent's account of the Flynn interview.

For more than half a century, FBI agents conducting interviews have been required to memorialize any information that might become testimony, on a form called the FD-302

It was always considered the interviewing agent's FD-302. Supervisors never modified it; its purpose was to reflect what the agent observed and heard from the witness or suspect. As an FBI supervisor, I reviewed hundreds of FD-302s. Other than an occasional grammatical correction, I never changed a word.

So it was shocking for me to read the newly released text messages between Peter Strzok, then deputy assistant director of the FBI's Counterintelligence Division, and Lisa Page. They show that after Mr. Strzok and Agent Joe Pientka interviewed Mr. Flynn, Mr. Strzok heavily edite

Mr. Pientka's FD-302—to the point that he told Ms. Page he was "trying not to completely re-write" it. Even more shocking, Ms. Page, an FBI attorney who wasn't an agent and wasn't at the interview, provided edits.

Worse still, the FD-302 that was eventually provided to the court wasn't that of the agents' interview of Mr. Flynn. It was instead a FD-302 of an interview of Mr. Strzok, conducted months later, about his recollections of the original interview. Truly bizarre.

The FBI was also aggressive in its use—or abuse—of Title 18, Section 1001, which makes it a crime to lie to an agent.

Agents sometimes issue warnings about this violation to encourage witnesses to tell the truth. But in the past lying was seldom prosecuted as a stand-alone crime. Over the decades, many frustrated agents have pounded a prosecutor's desk after being told this wouldn't be prosecuted because "everybody lies." Instead prosecutors treated it as an add-on offense when they'd already have nailed down a substantive underlying crime. In the Flynn case it was a perversion. Rather than using the 1001 warning to get to the truth, agents set a trap for a lie to manufacture a violation. That would be unimaginable in my time at the FBI.

Many are calling for indictments of past bureau officials and others who engaged in this treatment of Mr. Flynn. That may be warranted. But more fundamental is the need for cultural reform in the FBI. The guardrails that were respected in the past—including the integrity of an agent's FD-302 and the appropriate use of 1001—need to be restored.

Attorney General William Barr ordered this inquiry by Mr. Jensen, a 10-year FBI veteran who operated within those guardrails. Mr. Barr, who served as attorney general in the early 1990s, knows what the FBI had been and can be again.

Mr. Baker is a retired FBI special agent and legal attaché.

[whitey]

James A. Gagliano (@JamesAGagliano) worked in the FBI for 25 years. He is a law enforcement analyst for CNN and an adjunct assistant professor in homeland security and criminal justice at St. John's University. Gagliano is a member of the board of directors of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-flynn-was-railroaded-by-james-comeys-fbi?utm_source=breaking_push&utm_medium=app&utm_campaign=push_notifications&utm_source=WEX_News%20Brief_05/04/2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WEX_News%20Brief&;

[omochain]

Whitey ... I thought you were salvageable... I give up... I will now go into hibernation for another while. But the lad from Queens County might cause me to wake up again.