The Many Faces of US Politics...

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nifan

Quote from: stew on November 06, 2012, 02:22:26 AM
There has been an 84% hike on gas prices.

As usual there is a little bit more to it than taking the number the day he came into office and the number today.
http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2012/09/15/gasoline-prices-doubled-under-obama-true-or-false/

deiseach

Quote from: nifan on November 06, 2012, 08:52:24 AM
As usual there is a little bit more to it . . .

Of course there is. But why bother wasting the time explaining that?


Harold Disgracey

From the Economist.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/11/presidential-race-0

IF THERE is one thing America's right- and left-leaning media seem to agree on as election day looms, it is that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are locked in an exceedingly close and unpredictable race for the presidency. "With Time as Tight as Race, Romney and Obama Zero In", ran a recent headline in the New York Times; "Obama and Romney Deadlocked", concurs the Wall Street Journal. Even the most esteemed news outlets from abroad—such as, say, The Economist—pronounce it "about as close as it could be". If people who can barely agree on the colour of the sky can find common cause on this point, we can surely take it for granted and move along, right?

Strangely, what might be the least controversial notion in contemporary American politics is also one of the farthest from the truth. Yes, the national polls are roughly tied. But unlike every other civilised country with a presidential system of democracy, we don't have a national popular vote. And the state polls—which collectively represent a much bigger sample of voters than the national ones, and enable us to project what matters, which is the electoral college—tell a very different tale.

There are indeed a number of states that are extremely close. Colorado, Virginia and New Hampshire could easily go either way, and Florida and Iowa are still highly competitive. However, none of these states are likely to have an impact on the outcome of the election.

There are 19 states, totalling 237 electoral votes, which are so safely Democratic that Mr Romney did not bother to contest any of them until the final weeks of the campaign: CA, OR, WA, NM, MN, IL, MI, PA, HI, DE, MD, DC, NJ, NY, VT, CT, RI, MA and ME. Beyond those, Mr Obama appears to have an unassailable lead in Nevada, and the presence of Paul Ryan on the Republican ticket does not seem to have moved the needle in Mr Romney's favour in Wisconsin. Adding those two states to the president's tally, all he needs is Ohio to reach the magic number of 270 electoral votes—and he has consistently led the polls there by over two percentage points. Even if Mr Romney wins all of Colorado, Virginia, New Hampshire, Florida and Iowa, he would still lose the election if he cannot break through Mr Obama's Midwestern "firewall" of Wisconsin and Ohio. The campaign is being fought almost entirely on Mr Romney's turf.

Mr Romney faces such an uphill battle in the electoral college that most quantitative calculations regard the race as anything but too close to call. Nate Silver of the New York Times's FiveThirtyEight blog, the best-known of the forecasters, currently gives Mr Obama an 86% chance to win. Sam Wang of the Princeton Election Consortium puts him at an even more generous 98%.

Bettors broadly concur with this analysis. Although Intrade, the most widely cited prediction market, is fairly kind to Mr Romney and shows him with a 33% chance of victory, tight legal restrictions on deposits to the site have made it very difficult for Americans to wager there. That makes it very thinly traded and unreliable, since bets of just a few thousand dollars can move the market price substantially. The real money laid on the election goes to bookmakers, who uniformly see Mr Obama as an overwhelming favourite. Pinnacle Sports in Las Vegas shows him with a 77.5% likelihood of victory, and Ladbrokes in Britain has him at 81%.

So why do so many reporters continue to peddle the notion of a tight race? One hypothesis is simply a healthy scepticism regarding statistical models, particularly in the wake of the financial crisis. Both David Brooks of the New York Times and John Cassidy of the New Yorker, while openly admiring Mr Silver's work, warn that complex calculations can lead to unjustified certainty.

That may be true, but there's nothing particularly convoluted about these methods. The Occam's Razor approach of a simple average of the most recent polls, listed at RealClearPolitics.com, leads to exactly the same conclusion: that Mr Obama has small but significant leads in enough states to win the election. Some critics have argued that the state polls are biased towards Mr Obama because they overestimate Democratic turnout, but the historical evidence suggests otherwise.

A second interpretation, put forth by Alec MacGillis of the New Republic, is that the media are simply responding to institutional incentives. No one will stay tuned in to a programme saying that the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Suspense sells, and given a choice between a story and no story, journalists will always choose the former, regardless of their political leanings.

This account has undeniable "Freakonomics"-style appeal. However, it relies on a misunderstanding of the competitive dynamics among reporters. Prestige media organisations strive perhaps above all to be counterintuitive, and attract readers or viewers by debunking conventional wisdom. Publications like Slate, the Atlantic or the New Republic are often mocked for their knee-jerk contrarianism. Do writers really think they are going to attract precious eyeballs by jumping on the "it's-coming-down-to-the-wire" bandwagon? Quite the opposite—I'm betting that the "reality check: Obama's ahead" premise of this post will garner far more traffic.

I think two entirely different factors underlie the misleading coverage. The first is a modest dose of innumeracy. Reporters lacking statistical training who see a two-point lead for a candidate are likely to think, "That doesn't sound like much. After all, the margin of error is four points, so it's a statistical tie." Actually, it's not—it just means that particular pollster didn't find a big enough gap to achieve 95% certainty that one candidate is ahead. Once you start talking about dozens of polls taken by independent firms that all point in the same direction, the sample sizes go up and the margin of error shrinks. As Mr Silver recently noted, the consensus of state polls in recent years has been remarkably accurate: it has called 74 of 77 states right, and two of the three misses occurred when the leading candidate had an advantage of one percentage point or less. Mr Obama leads all of Nevada, Wisconsin and Ohio by 2.8 points or more in the RealClearPolitics average. Mr Obama may not be likely to win those states, and therefore the election, by a particularly large margin, but that does not mean he is at substantial risk of losing them.

The other explanation is the old "false balance" problem. Reporters have long relied on the crutch of simply quoting representatives of both sides of an issue to appear impartial to their readers, even if one is much further from the truth than the other. To correct this tendency, the media have increasingly deployed "fact-checking" squads who are willing to call a candidate a liar when they deem it appropriate. This, in turn, has prompted a backlash from politicians and critics who sniff bias in purportedly objective fact-checking.

While not yet chastened, the fact-checkers have done their best to stick to debunking the most easily identifiable fibs. Poll analysis does not meet this standard. The Democrats say Mr Obama's ahead in the key states; the Republicans counter that the national polls are tied, and that the state polls suffer from unsubstantiated assumptions and methodological deficiencies. Who's right? "Who knows?", a reporter on a tight deadline is likely to conclude. "Let's just cite both arguments and say that time will tell."

Time will tell indeed. Mr Romney certainly has a fighting chance, and if he wins, it won't discredit Mr Silver. The proper way to evaluate forecasters is to look at all of their predictions, and see if events they say should happen 80% of the time fail to occur in around 20% of cases. (It would cast doubt on Mr Wang's approach, however, since he sees Mr Obama as a virtual lock for a second term.) For the baseball fans among you, Mr Romney is in roughly the same position as a team starting the bottom of the ninth inning trailing by one run; for the poker players, he's all-in holding pocket kings facing an opponent with pocket aces. But that's nobody's definition of a toss-up. Following Mr Silver's lead, if anyone would like to offer me a wager, the comment thread beckons.

deiseach

I'm looking forward to tonight. If Romney wins, it will at least be interesting, a case of everything-you-know-is-wrong. If Obama wins, the GOP and its allies are going to throw a hissy-fit of such epic proportions that it should only be viewed with copious amounts of popcorn.

heganboy

I'm going to stick my neck out and call it as an Obama victory after 2 hours of polling
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity


ballela-angel

I predict that Vermont will lead the nation by being the first state to declare for Obama, and I'm off to the polling booth right now to do my bit :D
That awkward moment - Not sure if you do have free time or if you're just forgetting everything!

The Iceman

I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight

screenexile

What time can we expect a verdict??

dec

The major swing states will close their polls by 9pm Eastern Time (2am Irish) but they will probably be labeled too close to call initially.


stew

Quote from: Declan on November 06, 2012, 07:49:30 AM
Too close to call? This guy knows why hes voting for GOP though


Enjoyed this - http://www.youtube.com/embed/EDxOSjgl5Z4

Deccy, there are always idiots like that clown in the t shirt, thanks for only showing the republican wans.

Clowns like you ignore the crippling debt, the unemployment numbers, the weak economy despite the spending  and the fact that he has been a horrendous President!



Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: stew on November 06, 2012, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Declan on November 06, 2012, 07:49:30 AM
Too close to call? This guy knows why hes voting for GOP though


Enjoyed this - http://www.youtube.com/embed/EDxOSjgl5Z4

Deccy, there are always idiots like that clown in the t shirt, thanks for only showing the republican wans.

Clowns like you ignore the crippling debt, the unemployment numbers, the weak economy despite the spending  and the fact that he has been a horrendous President!

And with respect stew, you seem to conviently miss the fact that this is a factor which is crippling the majority of countries in the developed world due to the world wide economic instability, but hey why factor that into an argument when you can have a Barack barrack!

stew

Quote from: Premier Emperor on November 06, 2012, 08:10:54 AM
Obama has it in the bag.
Any pundit who claims it's too close to call should be sacked.
He is ahead in more than enough swing states.
There aren't enough backward, redneck states to get Romney into  the White House.

Congratulations, you are now calling for the heads of practically every pundit in the country as both sides are saying it is close.

Emperor, if you think only redneck, backward people vote for Romney you sir, are an idiot, and a lazy one at that.

The backward, redneck people of Wall Street are all about voting Romney, why? because they realize that the prex has no idea what the fcuk he is doing with the economy and Romney does, that's why!
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.