The OFFICIAL Liverpool Supporters thread

[GalwayBayBoy]

Heading to Anfield on Sunday morning next. Arrive at around 10.30ish in the airport, so don't want to waste too much time between going to hotel and getting to the ground for a loc of pints. Where does good food, reasonabley priced? Staying at Albert Docks, so anywhere there or at the ground.

Not too many quality dining establisments in the vicinity of Anfield. You would be better off eating in the city centre. There is loads of good places to eat around the Albert Dock.

[new devil]

When he was took off against everton last monday he didn't seem happy and you could clearly see him saying "f**k off"...do yous think that would off anything to do with it
As an Ireland player would like to see him move on somewere else to get regular first team football..don't think Rafa has give him much of a chance

[Gabriel_Hurl]

When he was took off against everton last monday he didn't seem happy and you could clearly see him saying "f**k off"...do yous think that would off anything to do with it
As an Ireland player would like to see him move on somewere else to get regular first team football..don't think Rafa has give him much of a chance

He could have no complants about been taken off last Monday night - he was fecking shocking

[new devil]

Yea i no he was bad but do you think his reaction could have something to do with it?

[magpie seanie]

Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.

Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.

[J70]

Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.

Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.

Good analysis Seanie. It doesn't bode well however if he was signed over Benitez' head and we'll have to wait to see how that turns out. The transfer stuff is pretty much why Benitez left Valencia. That said, I doubt if Benitez can be excused for every one of the misfits and dross that have been signed. I have read murmurings among some supporters that last summer may turn to be to Benitez what Djouff/Diou/Cheyrou was to Houllier, although I don't think that is fair given the progress, to this point, that has been made this season in terms of a league challenge. However, this is a very important week: if Liverpool don't pick up at least four points from Wigan (away) and Chelsea (home), they're probably going to be in big trouble in terms of the league. They arguably need six points. Even four will be tough given their current form.

[corn02]

Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.

Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.

Pretty spot on to be fair.

Two 1-1s and two very contrasting performances. We suit 4-4-1-1 not 4-4-2.

[Hound]

Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??

They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.

Gerrard is priceless.

Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.

He was just ok today, should have done a lot better with the shot. Last six weeks he has dropped off the pace a bit, but that period included the Newcastle match - he was superb in that game.

Need to see a goal from him soon.

Fer fecks sake corn, even Lucas was superb against Newcastle!

Thats about the 3rd time you've signaled Kuyt out for praise because its the one game since November that he hasnt been (at best) mediocre and frankly its ridiculous! Newcasle was a game that we won comfortably, and he played well, but so did everyone, and no way did he deserve special praise. Was he even involved in any of the goals? The first Benayoun laid it on for Gerrard. The 2nd Sami buried a corner, the third Babel knocked in from a corner after the Newky defence made a complete balls of things. The 4th was from Gerrard after a great through ball from Lucas and the last was an Alonso peno after I think Ngog was fouled.

You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to make this the only recent highlight of Kuyt's form, alleging he was superb where he wasnt involved in scoring or assisting in any of the 5 goals, yet the likes of even Babel, Benayoun, Lucas and Ngog either got a goal or an assist.

[corn02]

Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??

They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.

Gerrard is priceless.

Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.

He was just ok today, should have done a lot better with the shot. Last six weeks he has dropped off the pace a bit, but that period included the Newcastle match - he was superb in that game.

Need to see a goal from him soon.

Fer fecks sake corn, even Lucas was superb against Newcastle!

Thats about the 3rd time you've signaled Kuyt out for praise because its the one game since November that he hasnt been (at best) mediocre and frankly its ridiculous! Newcasle was a game that we won comfortably, and he played well, but so did everyone, and no way did he deserve special praise. Was he even involved in any of the goals? The first Benayoun laid it on for Gerrard. The 2nd Sami buried a corner, the third Babel knocked in from a corner after the Newky defence made a complete balls of things. The 4th was from Gerrard after a great through ball from Lucas and the last was an Alonso peno after I think Ngog was fouled.

You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to make this the only recent highlight of Kuyt's form, alleging he was superb where he wasnt involved in scoring or assisting in any of the 5 goals, yet the likes of even Babel, Benayoun, Lucas and Ngog either got a goal or an assist.

Yes Lucas was superb, what is your point there.

I tell you what go watch the opneing 30 minutes when we blitzed them and see who was at the centre of every move. He was superb and can not be blamed for other people missing sitters.

You will also notice that I said he hasn't been at his best over the last few weeks ven though he had only one poor game - Hull. The rest he has been just ok.

[EC Unique]

ROBBIE KEANE'S Liverpool future hangs on a knife-edge after he boycotted the clash with Everton.

The £20million striker did not turn up at Anfield after being told French rookie David Ngog had replaced him on the bench.


Steven Gerrard hit Liverpool's leveller in a 1-1 FA Cup fourth round draw.




And boss Rafa Benitez said: "We have a good squad and Keane was not selected.


"I have not seen him so I don't know how he has reacted. But every player wants to be involved so I would expect he is not happy.


"Ngog scored twice for the reserves in their last match, so he was a good option. And we have Ryan Babel and Lucas who can play forward, so we were well covered."


Keane has managed only seven goals since his summer move from Tottenham.


He has been substituted in all but one of his 16 Premier League starts and was hauled off yet again in the second half of last Monday's 1-1 league draw against rivals Everton after another dismal display.


It looks like Benitez's patience is running thin, although he did offer Keane a crumb of consolation.


Benitez added: "He's working hard and, for me, the most important thing is if the players work hard for the team."

He just does not suit Rafa's team selection (make sure we dont lose and maybe we will sneak a win!) which would suggest that he was not Rafas choice as a signing. Not good for Keane so he should get out ASAP to get weekly football for the good of the Ireland team...

[Hound]

Yes Lucas was superb, what is your point there.
I tell you what go watch the opneing 30 minutes when we blitzed them and see who was at the centre of every move. He was superb and can not be blamed for other people missing sitters.
You will also notice that I said he hasn't been at his best over the last few weeks ven though he had only one poor game - Hull. The rest he has been just ok.

The point is, its easy to be "superb", when one team is miles better and the other can't defend. Kuyt himself missed two great chances in the opening quarter. But of course he played well , and no he wasnt invovled in any goals. 

[Hound]

There is no doubt in my mind that Robbie Keane has been badly managed by Benitez.

Keane started off not good, but Benitez stuck with him and played him in every game. Keane then did progress and looked to be gradually finding his feet. While he didn't score in either of the wins v ManU and Everton for instance, he did play well in both games and lasted virtually 90 mins in both.

Then he breaks his duck in the win over PSV. Keane must have been buzzin, what does Rafa do? – he drops him for the first time!

Then Keane goes through a bad patch and is left out for a spell, until surprisingly recalled for the Arsenal game. Keane had played well in the bigger games and fair dues to Rafa for recognising it. He didnt play all that well, but he got a cracking goal and suddenly his confidence his back. He's plays great in the next game, gets 2 goals and finally the real Robbie Keane has arrived. So then he's immediately dropped.

When he starts a game again, Torres is back from injury on the bench, so the pressure is back on Robbie - and thus he's back to his early season form of trying too hard, and then he is back to in and out of the team. And then against Hull and Stoke he's left on the bench for 90 minutes when we're in desperate need of a goal. An almighty kick in the balls. I can only imagine how he must have felt. You'd swear Rafa's policy was designed to keep confidence low!

I don't care about Ngog being on the bench v Everton. He was never ever going to get on unless the game was over, even if both Torres and Kuyt got injured. And Keane didnt walk out, he could have watched the game from the stands, but he chose to stay at home (first team players not in the matchday squad always have a choice). If Keane doesnt feature either on Wednesday or Sunday, then it'll be clear he's not in Rafa's plans. But maybe he will and maybe this is just Rafa's (bizarre) thinking on how to keep him motivated.....

[Carmen Stateside]

Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??

They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.

Gerrard is priceless.

Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.

He was just ok today, should have done a lot better with the shot. Last six weeks he has dropped off the pace a bit, but that period included the Newcastle match - he was superb in that game.

Need to see a goal from him soon.

Fer fecks sake corn, even Lucas was superb against Newcastle!

Thats about the 3rd time you've signaled Kuyt out for praise because its the one game since November that he hasnt been (at best) mediocre and frankly its ridiculous! Newcasle was a game that we won comfortably, and he played well, but so did everyone, and no way did he deserve special praise. Was he even involved in any of the goals? The first Benayoun laid it on for Gerrard. The 2nd Sami buried a corner, the third Babel knocked in from a corner after the Newky defence made a complete balls of things. The 4th was from Gerrard after a great through ball from Lucas and the last was an Alonso peno after I think Ngog was fouled.

You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to make this the only recent highlight of Kuyt's form, alleging he was superb where he wasnt involved in scoring or assisting in any of the 5 goals, yet the likes of even Babel, Benayoun, Lucas and Ngog either got a goal or an assist.

There is no doubt in my mind that Robbie Keane has been badly managed by Benitez.

Keane started off not good, but Benitez stuck with him and played him in every game. Keane then did progress and looked to be gradually finding his feet. While he didn’t score in either of the wins v ManU and Everton for instance, he did play well in both games and lasted virtually 90 mins in both.

Then he breaks his duck in the win over PSV. Keane must have been buzzin, what does Rafa do? – he drops him for the first time!

Then Keane goes through a bad patch and is left out for a spell, until surprisingly recalled for the Arsenal game. Keane had played well in the bigger games and fair dues to Rafa for recognising it. He didnt play all that well, but he got a cracking goal and suddenly his confidence his back. He's plays great in the next game, gets 2 goals and finally the real Robbie Keane has arrived. So then he's immediately dropped.

When he starts a game again, Torres is back from injury on the bench, so the pressure is back on Robbie - and thus he's back to his early season form of trying too hard, and then he is back to in and out of the team. And then against Hull and Stoke he's left on the bench for 90 minutes when we're in desperate need of a goal. An almighty kick in the balls. I can only imagine how he must have felt. You'd swear Rafa's policy was designed to keep confidence low!

I don't care about Ngog being on the bench v Everton. He was never ever going to get on unless the game was over, even if both Torres and Kuyt got injured. And Keane didnt walk out, he could have watched the game from the stands, but he chose to stay at home (first team players not in the matchday squad always have a choice). If Keane doesnt feature either on Wednesday or Sunday, then it'll be clear he's not in Rafa's plans. But maybe he will and maybe this is just Rafa's (bizarre) thinking on how to keep him motivated.....

At last someone talking sense!

[corn02]

Carmen you're not talking much sense if you think Robbie was right to walk out.

Hound, Kuyt had a good shot saved by given, hit him in the face, I don't recall any other chance he missed.


Premiership:
Both Kuyt and Keane have five goals apiece.
Kuyt has started 22 games and Keane 17.
Kuyt has spent on average 87 minutes on the field - no surprise
Keane has spent on average 78 minutes - higher than I thought.

With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.

[Carmen Stateside]

So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player