Tír Eoghain v Iarmhí, D1R514, Omagh, Sunday 16th March @ 2pm.

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Man Marker

Our problems are not in the ff line,if we had that compo in the half back or more likely the FB line we would be in some position

orangeman

Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 09:30:39 AM

Some lovely scores by tyrone yesterday. Morgan hit one monster free kick. Couple of lovely goals and great points by coney and Mcaliskey. If coney would use his size a bit more he could be a very good forward. At the minute I think it's Mcaliskey v ronan oneill for left corner forward and coney v mccurry for right corner forward. As of now mccurry and Mcaliskey probably slightly ahead. Mcaliskey just needs to add a bit more composure to his play at times.


McCurry is easily our marquee forward of the last 2 years, he'll not be replaced by Coney. If Coney makes the side it'll be ahead of mc Aliskey or at FF if Matty is to play centre back.

He's very, very good alright but it depends what you mean by marquee.

trileacman

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 03:43:56 PM
I'm a fan of mccurry and he's a great score taker. But he's still young and quite light, so don't think he's a total automatic yet. He still has to produce it in big championship games. I do think that will come over the next few years and to be honest would be surprised if he didn't start this year.

He's older than Canavan and Gooch were when they were tossing teams and he's of no lighter build. I'd argue he's produced it in as many big championship games as anyone in that group of McAliskey, Coney, Donnelly and RON.

Your talking about 2 of the finest footballers ever there. As I've said I'm a fan of mccurry and think he probably will start but at this stage I certainly wouldn't be comparing him with with canavan and cooper. All 4 players above still have to really produce it in big championship games and until they do there will be some doubts.

My point is why would you criticise McCurry for being too light or too young? The two finest forwards of the last 20 years were of his build. Everyone is so keen to see gym monkeys out running about on the pitch now, I don't see need for McCurry to be carrying around a stone of muscle he won't be using. Calling him to light is like saying Colm is too tall. He's a forward not a scrum-half.

I think McCurry has produced more in championship matches than the other 4. Maybe not to the level of the previous generation but still to a decent level. I'd count Meath, Monaghan and Roscommon 2012 as performances worthy of a top IC footballer. Matty I would count Kildare last year. I can't recall a championship match where Coney has stood out for us. Likewise McAliskey. I know they've played well in league but your yardstick was "in big championship games".
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trileacman

Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 09:30:39 AM

Some lovely scores by tyrone yesterday. Morgan hit one monster free kick. Couple of lovely goals and great points by coney and Mcaliskey. If coney would use his size a bit more he could be a very good forward. At the minute I think it's Mcaliskey v ronan oneill for left corner forward and coney v mccurry for right corner forward. As of now mccurry and Mcaliskey probably slightly ahead. Mcaliskey just needs to add a bit more composure to his play at times.


McCurry is easily our marquee forward of the last 2 years, he'll not be replaced by Coney. If Coney makes the side it'll be ahead of mc Aliskey or at FF if Matty is to play centre back.

He's very, very good alright but it depends what you mean by marquee.

He's not a nationwide marquee forward but in terms of Tyrone, he's the first name I'd have on the inside forward line, ahead of Matty, SON or anyone else.

I was very, very sceptical of him until the middle of last years championship, I thought McAliskey offered more up front and I thought his debut performance against Roscommon 2012 was highly over-rated. IMO he's been very good since though and as you said more composed than McAliskey when the too have been playing together.

He's not the be-all end-all or by any means the finished product but I think his performances mean he should be considered a bit ahead of the other options at inside forward.
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Fantasy 6 Nations Champion 2014

rodney trotter

McCurry was 19 in 2012 so how was he older then Canavan and Cooper when they were tossing teams...

trileacman

Quote from: rodney trotter on March 17, 2014, 05:39:08 PM
McCurry was 19 in 2012 so how was he older then Canavan and Cooper when they were tossing teams...

He's 21 now with 2 solid years of inter-county experience, he's in a different position from a development point of view than say R O'Neill or McGuigan. Gooch and Canavan were established IC players at 21. Jack mccaffrey is 19, Kilkenny is 21, Mannion is 21, Cillian O'Connor is 22, I'm just making the point that McCurry is not "too young" to be an IC footballer.
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orangeman

Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 09:30:39 AM

Some lovely scores by tyrone yesterday. Morgan hit one monster free kick. Couple of lovely goals and great points by coney and Mcaliskey. If coney would use his size a bit more he could be a very good forward. At the minute I think it's Mcaliskey v ronan oneill for left corner forward and coney v mccurry for right corner forward. As of now mccurry and Mcaliskey probably slightly ahead. Mcaliskey just needs to add a bit more composure to his play at times.


McCurry is easily our marquee forward of the last 2 years, he'll not be replaced by Coney. If Coney makes the side it'll be ahead of mc Aliskey or at FF if Matty is to play centre back.

He's very, very good alright but it depends what you mean by marquee.

He's not a nationwide marquee forward but in terms of Tyrone, he's the first name I'd have on the inside forward line, ahead of Matty, SON or anyone else.

I was very, very sceptical of him until the middle of last years championship, I thought McAliskey offered more up front and I thought his debut performance against Roscommon 2012 was highly over-rated. IMO he's been very good since though and as you said more composed than McAliskey when the too have been playing together.

He's not the be-all end-all or by any means the finished product but I think his performances mean he should be considered a bit ahead of the other options at inside forward.


Hopefully he'll repay your overwhelming confidence in him.

He has a lot of ball to play to match SON's stellar achievements on a field.



trileacman

Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2014, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 09:30:39 AM

Some lovely scores by tyrone yesterday. Morgan hit one monster free kick. Couple of lovely goals and great points by coney and Mcaliskey. If coney would use his size a bit more he could be a very good forward. At the minute I think it's Mcaliskey v ronan oneill for left corner forward and coney v mccurry for right corner forward. As of now mccurry and Mcaliskey probably slightly ahead. Mcaliskey just needs to add a bit more composure to his play at times.


McCurry is easily our marquee forward of the last 2 years, he'll not be replaced by Coney. If Coney makes the side it'll be ahead of mc Aliskey or at FF if Matty is to play centre back.

He's very, very good alright but it depends what you mean by marquee.

He's not a nationwide marquee forward but in terms of Tyrone, he's the first name I'd have on the inside forward line, ahead of Matty, SON or anyone else.

I was very, very sceptical of him until the middle of last years championship, I thought McAliskey offered more up front and I thought his debut performance against Roscommon 2012 was highly over-rated. IMO he's been very good since though and as you said more composed than McAliskey when the too have been playing together.

He's not the be-all end-all or by any means the finished product but I think his performances mean he should be considered a bit ahead of the other options at inside forward.
Hopefully he'll repay your overwhelming confidence in him.

He has a lot of ball to play to match SON's stellar achievements on a field.
Jesus Christ, I didn't say he'd a better career than SON I just said at the minute you'd pick him ahead of S'ON. Do you think we should be playing SON ahead of him then so?
Fantasy Rugby World Cup Champion 2011,
Fantasy 6 Nations Champion 2014

orangeman

Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 09:52:39 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2014, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 09:30:39 AM

Some lovely scores by tyrone yesterday. Morgan hit one monster free kick. Couple of lovely goals and great points by coney and Mcaliskey. If coney would use his size a bit more he could be a very good forward. At the minute I think it's Mcaliskey v ronan oneill for left corner forward and coney v mccurry for right corner forward. As of now mccurry and Mcaliskey probably slightly ahead. Mcaliskey just needs to add a bit more composure to his play at times.


McCurry is easily our marquee forward of the last 2 years, he'll not be replaced by Coney. If Coney makes the side it'll be ahead of mc Aliskey or at FF if Matty is to play centre back.

He's very, very good alright but it depends what you mean by marquee.

He's not a nationwide marquee forward but in terms of Tyrone, he's the first name I'd have on the inside forward line, ahead of Matty, SON or anyone else.

I was very, very sceptical of him until the middle of last years championship, I thought McAliskey offered more up front and I thought his debut performance against Roscommon 2012 was highly over-rated. IMO he's been very good since though and as you said more composed than McAliskey when the too have been playing together.

He's not the be-all end-all or by any means the finished product but I think his performances mean he should be considered a bit ahead of the other options at inside forward.
Hopefully he'll repay your overwhelming confidence in him.

He has a lot of ball to play to match SON's stellar achievements on a field.
Jesus Christ, I didn't say he'd a better career than SON I just said at the minute you'd pick him ahead of S'ON. Do you think we should be playing SON ahead of him then so?

Definitely not. SON is injured.

Redhand Santa

Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 17, 2014, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2014, 03:43:56 PM
I'm a fan of mccurry and he's a great score taker. But he's still young and quite light, so don't think he's a total automatic yet. He still has to produce it in big championship games. I do think that will come over the next few years and to be honest would be surprised if he didn't start this year.

He's older than Canavan and Gooch were when they were tossing teams and he's of no lighter build. I'd argue he's produced it in as many big championship games as anyone in that group of McAliskey, Coney, Donnelly and RON.

Your talking about 2 of the finest footballers ever there. As I've said I'm a fan of mccurry and think he probably will start but at this stage I certainly wouldn't be comparing him with with canavan and cooper. All 4 players above still have to really produce it in big championship games and until they do there will be some doubts.

My point is why would you criticise McCurry for being too light or too young? The two finest forwards of the last 20 years were of his build. Everyone is so keen to see gym monkeys out running about on the pitch now, I don't see need for McCurry to be carrying around a stone of muscle he won't be using. Calling him to light is like saying Colm is too tall. He's a forward not a scrum-half.

I think McCurry has produced more in championship matches than the other 4. Maybe not to the level of the previous generation but still to a decent level. I'd count Meath, Monaghan and Roscommon 2012 as performances worthy of a top IC footballer. Matty I would count Kildare last year. I can't recall a championship match where Coney has stood out for us. Likewise McAliskey. I know they've played well in league but your yardstick was "in big championship games".

I wasn't criticising mccurry at all. I said he probably will start and is a good score taker. I just don't think he's dome enough yet to suggest he's an automatic starter with his place guaranteed. He will develop physically over the next few years which should help his ball winning and retention ability. At the minute as was shown down in Kerry he can still get knocked of the ball at times. The likes of mcguigan improved considerably at county level from 21 to 23.

Redhand Santa

It even took canavan until 1994 to really shine in championship football. I think he'd have been around 23 then. The last 2 seasons should stand to mccurry this year.