Shamrock Rovers Ultras

[his holiness nb]

You haven't ARGUED anything.
You have merely stated whatever crap best suits your blinkered views best.

Hoop the same might be said of you.
you are reeking of desperation now, let it go, enjoy a few pints, tis the long weekend.
Guuuuuuskaaaaabbaaa!!!

[blast05]

How thick and arrogant can you get???

You don't find this comment somewhat ironic given the "my way or the highway" approach you have adopted to all posts despite 90% of what you are saying being shot down

ust an example of one of the many large stadiums you seem to think would justify butchering the stadium

If this would result in a butchered stadium then a butchered stadium is exactly what the RSJ ground of Waterford United and the Brandywell of Derry City are ..........  and the Stadio Olympic of Roma/Parma in Serie A, the Stadio Del Alpe of Juventus, etc. etc. ............... but sure they're only Mickey Mouse clubs in comparison to Shamrock Rovers  

And councils are in the business of building things that make sense - and not things that allegedly "ain't that bad".

So why did they agree to build a GAA pitch in Nov 2005 after Shamrock Rovers spent 4 years scratching their arse doing nothing. Remember it was the council who agreed with TD to build a community facility for all when TD gave up the lands on which the proposed development is to take place

[his holiness nb]

And councils are in the business of building things that make sense - and not things that allegedly "ain't that bad".

It aint that bad for the soccer, but does make sense.
They have to fit a full size GAA pitch there remember 

[SammyG]

If this would result in a butchered stadium then a butchered stadium is exactly what the RSJ ground of Waterford United and the Brandywell of Derry City are

Sorry to butt in again but has the Brandywell really got a 160m pitch? I've never been but it doesn't look anything like that size, on TV.

[blast05]

Sorry to butt in again but has the Brandywell really got a 160m pitch? I've never been but it doesn't look anything like that size, on TV.

I don't know. I haven't been there to measure it with my ruler, but from TV pictures, there is a big distance behind each goal

Stadio Olympico.... good enough for 2 Serie A clubs, good enough to host a World Cup Final, but not good enough for Shamrock Rovers.
Next point.

[dublinfella]

Blast, the Stadio Olimpico in Rome is an athletics stadium. It also houses soccer because they can fit a pitch in the middle without any impact on the athletics track.

If you cant see the difference between that setup and wanting Tallaght gutted to accommodate senior GAA.....

[blast05]

Blast, the Stadio Olimpico in Rome is an athletics stadium. It also houses soccer because they can fit a pitch in the middle without any impact on the athletics track.

So you accept my point or not that what is good enough to host the World Cup Final and 2 Serie A teams as anchor tenants and 3 Europeans cup finals (and again in 2009) is not good enough to host Shamrock Rovers versus any other Eircom League team ?

[dublinfella]

Blast, the Stadio Olimpico in Rome is an athletics stadium. It also houses soccer because they can fit a pitch in the middle without any impact on the athletics track.

So you accept my point or not that what is good enough to host the World Cup Final and 2 Serie A teams as anchor tenants and 3 Europeans cup finals (and again in 2009) is not good enough to host Shamrock Rovers versus any other Eircom League team ?

do you accept my point that its a venue for one sport housing another that no-one decided to sue to get included?

[hoop]

So you accept my point or not that what is good enough to host the World Cup Final and 2 Serie A teams as anchor tenants and 3 Europeans cup finals (and again in 2009) is not good enough to host Shamrock Rovers versus any other Eircom League team ?

If you were to set out to build a stadium primarily suited to soccer, you certainly wouldn't build the Stadio Olympico. It was built for athletics - but is used for soccer. Very far from ideal. No surprise that when stadiums were being built, re-built or renovated for the World Cup in Germany, most ended up with no athletics track.

The SDCC have set out to build a stadium primarily suited to soccer - which can then also be used by whatever other sports can be accomodated. That is their right. Yet Thomas Davis want to bulldoze that decision although they don't appear to have any real need for the stadium - apart from the vague plan that Dublin might play the occasional game there. Very flimsy grounds for destroying a logical plan and creating a botched, lop-sided stadium.

It is beyond doubt that Thomas Davis winning, would mean soccer losing. There is simply no logical and satisfactory way of accommodating a full size GAA pitch and a soccer pitch. Thomas Davis know full well that their plans are totally to the detriment of soccer - as do most of the posters here. If Thomas Davis wins - then blinkered arrogance wins - and not logic or fairness.

[Fishead_Sam]

Seriously folks why is this thread still here.

Or at the very least it should be renamed the Glorious Thomas Davis defending Justice against the forces of Facism & JOD Thread.

[blast05]

do you accept my point that its a venue for one sport housing another that no-one decided to sue to get included?

Its a municipal sports stadium for which the vast majority of usage comes from the anchor tenants, 2 soccer teams - say approx 50-60 major soccer matches per year and 1 major athletic event (Golden League). The original usage was for the Olympic games but it was completely revamped and reshaped and roofed for the soccer World cup in 1990 to the extent that only 1 stand remains in its original position. The other stands were brought up to 9m closer to the playing area.

So would this stadium, which has been revamped to suit its primary tenants, 2 soccer teams, and which has bigger distances behind the goals to the stands and from the sidelines to the stands than what would be the case in the proposed development we are concened about, be good enough for Shamrock Rovers

P.S.: i don't recall anyone suing anybody, unless thats the new lingo for seeking a juidicial review.

[blast05]

The SDCC have set out to build a stadium primarily suited to soccer - which can then also be used by whatever other sports can be accomodated. That is their right. Yet Thomas Davis want to bulldoze that decision although they don't appear to have any real need for the stadium - apart from the vague plan that Dublin might play the occasional game there. Very flimsy grounds for destroying a logical plan and creating a botched, lop-sided stadium.

It is beyond doubt that Thomas Davis winning, would mean soccer losing. There is simply no logical and satisfactory way of accommodating a full size GAA pitch and a soccer pitch. Thomas Davis know full well that their plans are totally to the detriment of soccer - as do most of the posters here. If Thomas Davis wins - then blinkered arrogance wins - and not logic or fairness.

Did you actually bother reading the link i posted to the judicial review 

Oh, and i am still waiting to be shown the text from the judicial review where the judge said that the ground will never house the GAA

[dublinfella]

do you accept my point that its a venue for one sport housing another that no-one decided to sue to get included?

Its a municipal sports stadium for which the vast majority of usage comes from the anchor tenants, 2 soccer teams - say approx 50-60 major soccer matches per year and 1 major athletic event (Golden League). The original usage was for the Olympic games but it was completely revamped and reshaped and roofed for the soccer World cup in 1990 to the extent that only 1 stand remains in its original position. The other stands were brought up to 9m closer to the playing area.

So would this stadium, which has been revamped to suit its primary tenants, 2 soccer teams, and which has bigger distances behind the goals to the stands and from the sidelines to the stands than what would be the case in the proposed development we are concened about, be good enough for Shamrock Rovers

P.S.: i don't recall anyone suing anybody, unless thats the new lingo for seeking a juidicial review.

but its still an athletics stadium. whats your point?

if gaelic games could be included they would be. they cant so they wont.

Oh, and i am still waiting to be shown the text from the judicial review where the judge said that the ground will never house the GAA

As mentioned earlier the respondent and the notice party contended that the applicant had neither a substantial interest nor had it demonstrated substantial grounds for having the decision quashed because the withdrawal of funding by the Minister for the modified development meant that development as modified by the resolution of the 12th December, 2005 could not go ahead and hence there was no benefit to the applicant from the quashing of the resolution of the 13th February, 2006.
I am inclined to agree with Mr. Barron's submission, to the effect that the absence or otherwise of funding is a matter which would go towards the exercise of the courts discretion to grant refief by way of judicial review in circumstances where the court having heard the judicial review application was of the view that the relief claimed was otherwise merited.
That being so this not a factor which would warrant the refusal of leave.

[Onlooker]

I have read many, though obviously not all, of the replies to this thread and i ca'nt recall a supporter of any other LOI club writing to support Rovers position.   Is that not significant?.

[hoop]

I have read many, though obviously not all, of the replies to this thread and i ca'nt recall a supporter of any other LOI club writing to support Rovers position. Is that not significant?

On a GAA forum???

No.

They express their support elsewhere - and it's almost universal.