The Budget

[mylestheslasher]

There will be a new scheme to allow civil servants over the age of 50 to retire. The scheme will begin in May. Those retiring will not be replaced unless sanctioned by the Department of Finance.

Rubbish, anyone decent will retire and get a job in the private sector or will be contracted back when they realised none of the wasters have retired . Same as last time

What the hell would we in the private sector need to higher ex civil servants for. They wouldn't last 2 minutes in the real world. Them boys have been living in a different planet to the rest of us.

Since my missus got made redundant my wage is supporting me, the wife and the baby. This budget has taken another €2000 minimum out of my pocket. Increasing the price of Diesel after getting everyone to change to "green" diesel cars is another joke especially for us out in rural Ireland with no option but to drive. I don't believe this government has a mandate to rule and if they had any respect for democracy they'd give the people the chance to give them that mandate or not.

[Bogball XV]

There will be a new scheme to allow civil servants over the age of 50 to retire. The scheme will begin in May. Those retiring will not be replaced unless sanctioned by the Department of Finance.

Rubbish, anyone decent will retire and get a job in the private sector or will be contracted back when they realised none of the wasters have retired . Same as last time

What the hell would we in the private sector need to higher ex civil servants for. They wouldn't last 2 minutes in the real world. Them boys have been living in a different planet to the rest of us.

Since my missus got made redundant my wage is supporting me, the wife and the baby. This budget has taken another €2000 minimum out of my pocket. Increasing the price of Diesel after getting everyone to change to "green" diesel cars is another joke especially for us out in rural Ireland with no option but to drive. I don't believe this government has a mandate to rule and if they had any respect for democracy they'd give the people the chance to give them that mandate or not.

In fairness you're still getting more miles to your gallon of diesel and it's still cheaper than petrol.

If there was an election who would you vote for and why?  I wouldn't for one minute vote for FF (but then I've never been enamoured with them), but I don't see what any other party would come up with - any ideas anyone??  (and something a wee bit more constructive than sack all public servants would be good)

[Gnevin]

There will be a new scheme to allow civil servants over the age of 50 to retire. The scheme will begin in May. Those retiring will not be replaced unless sanctioned by the Department of Finance.

Rubbish, anyone decent will retire and get a job in the private sector or will be contracted back when they realised none of the wasters have retired . Same as last time

What the hell would we in the private sector need to higher ex civil servants for. They wouldn't last 2 minutes in the real world. Them boys have been living in a different planet to the rest of us.

Since my missus got made redundant my wage is supporting me, the wife and the baby. This budget has taken another €2000 minimum out of my pocket. Increasing the price of Diesel after getting everyone to change to "green" diesel cars is another joke especially for us out in rural Ireland with no option but to drive. I don't believe this government has a mandate to rule and if they had any respect for democracy they'd give the people the chance to give them that mandate or not.

Every civil servant isn't a waster, private sector companies have to interface with the public sector and ex civil servants can contribute a lot .

[The Subbie]

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What the hell would we in the private sector need to higher ex civil servants for. They wouldn't last 2 minutes in the real world. Them boys have been living in a different planet to the rest of us.


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Every civil servant isn't a waster, private sector companies have to interface with the public sector and ex civil servants can contribute a lot .
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would have to agree strongly with myles and disagree strongly with gnevin, now gnevin usually is spot on in a lot of issues here buy now your way off radar man, i deal with a lot of civil servants and would agree that not all are wasters but IN THE MAIN we get fcuk all value from them, lot of clock watchers, not my job merchants, lets have a meeting to prioritise going forward prcks that really would get torn asunder if asked to act in any capacity within a commercially agressive private business.

As regards needing ex civil servants to interface with public bodies almost every private firm in this country interfaces with thier public body equivilants many many times during the course of an average year and manage just fine without a sprinkling of moondust from padraic who used to work for the department nudge nudge wink wink, thats what has this place all fcuked in the first place.

No accountability at all at any level except maybe maybe director general who has to stand in front of public accounts committe, if he overspends gets moved to one side to sit it out on the sidelines till the €165k pension kicks in.

bit of a rant but i'm a pissed off subbie at the minute this budget is going to take a nice few shekels out of my hand

[Mayo4Sam]

As someone who used to work in the private sector and now has a short term contract with a state body, i'd say the pbulic sector doesn't work as hard, theres defo a more relaxed feeling, no stress, everyone takes the tea break kinda stuff but to be fair its tough to get somethings done, i'm trying to get a programme up and running and have to get it approved thru about 5 loops, the worst being the department and the leagal team, every bit of money thats spent has to be accounted for, thus the strenuous methos of getting approval, not all CS are wasters but gthey have a lot stricter guidelines to adhere to

[mylestheslasher]

What the hell would we in the private sector need to higher ex civil servants for. They wouldn't last 2 minutes in the real world. Them boys have been living in a different planet to the rest of us.


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Every civil servant isn't a waster, private sector companies have to interface with the public sector and ex civil servants can contribute a lot .
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would have to agree strongly with myles and disagree strongly with gnevin, now gnevin usually is spot on in a lot of issues here buy now your way off radar man, i deal with a lot of civil servants and would agree that not all are wasters but IN THE MAIN we get fcuk all value from them, lot of clock watchers, not my job merchants, lets have a meeting to prioritise going forward prcks that really would get torn asunder if asked to act in any capacity within a commercially agressive private business.

As regards needing ex civil servants to interface with public bodies almost every private firm in this country interfaces with thier public body equivilants many many times during the course of an average year and manage just fine without a sprinkling of moondust from padraic who used to work for the department nudge nudge wink wink, thats what has this place all fcuked in the first place.

No accountability at all at any level except maybe maybe director general who has to stand in front of public accounts committe, if he overspends gets moved to one side to sit it out on the sidelines till the €165k pension kicks in.

bit of a rant but i'm a pissed off subbie at the minute this budget is going to take a nice few shekels out of my hand


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Not all the Civil Servants are useless but I've yet to meet one that I would employ. I've met many many IDA and Enterprise Ireland guys and while they have obviously had some success attracting companies to come to Ireland, it is when you talk to them that you realise that most of them don't have a clue about the cut and thrust of the private sector. If it takes them weeks to get anything done due to red tape well that is surely their problem (i.e. Civil Servants) to resolve. Lots of red tape is normally what happens when people are to gutless to make decisions so they involve everyone in the place to share the potential blame.

[Mayo4Sam]

Thats my point, its not how people are too gutless to make decisions, its because its public sector money certain procedures have to be gone through, it stops the buddyism thats plagued ireland

[Gnevin]

What the hell would we in the private sector need to higher ex civil servants for. They wouldn't last 2 minutes in the real world. Them boys have been living in a different planet to the rest of us.

Every civil servant isn't a waster, private sector companies have to interface with the public sector and ex civil servants can contribute a lot .

would have to agree strongly with myles and disagree strongly with gnevin, now gnevin usually is spot on in a lot of issues here buy now your way off radar man, i deal with a lot of civil servants and would agree that not all are wasters but IN THE MAIN we get fcuk all value from them, lot of clock watchers, not my job merchants, lets have a meeting to prioritise going forward prcks that really would get torn asunder if asked to act in any capacity within a commercially agressive private business.

As regards needing ex civil servants to interface with public bodies almost every private firm in this country interfaces with thier public body equivilants many many times during the course of an average year and manage just fine without a sprinkling of moondust from padraic who used to work for the department nudge nudge wink wink, thats what has this place all fcuked in the first place.

No accountability at all at any level except maybe maybe director general who has to stand in front of public accounts committe, if he overspends gets moved to one side to sit it out on the sidelines till the €165k pension kicks in.

bit of a rant but i'm a pissed off subbie at the minute this budget is going to take a nice few shekels out of my hand

Now don't get me wrong . There are a huge , huge amount of wasters, clock watchers and lifers who would be totally lost in the real world. How ever I am speaking from personal experience in relation to this. The last round of early retirements lead to all the good ones leaving and either becoming consultant back the civil service or working in the private sector as a  sort of "inside man"

[magpie seanie]

This Government is completely rudderless, devoid of any orginal thought and completely out of touch with the people. The budget is an example of this. I disagree with hitting lower paid people which has happened. Cutting expenditure on infrastructural products to balance the books is real robbing Peter to pay Paul stuff. Not tackling the real problems as usual - they just went for the low hanging fruit.

However, the most disgusting aspect of this budget relates to the banks. We take on the bad debts and a Government Agency   will be set up to collect the money on behalf of the taxpayer. Meanwhile, 99.9% of the pricks that lent the money are till in situ with their jobs secured by our (increased tax monies). Im f**king pissed off.

[mylestheslasher]

Thats my point, its not how people are too gutless to make decisions, its because its public sector money certain procedures have to be gone through, it stops the buddyism thats plagued ireland

Its stopped f**k all apart from value for money if you ask me! I have the power in my job to hire who I like to do jobs but when my boss is always demanding we reduce costs I have to go with the cheapest that can do the job right. I am answerable to my boss. If I don't get any improvements I get the boot. My suppliers have to follow suit. I get an annual review and thats where my performance is evaluated. Its simple really and oceans of red tape are not required.

[Eoghan Mag]

magickingdom Well done! I was listening to the budget speech on the radio, and fell asleep during it. The information on the news and given by RTE was very badly presented. It does/did little to explain certain points. You managed to lay it out clearly there but I'm at a loss to understand certain things such as the Health Levy. What is this? There are some points about current accounts and insurance policies that I don't understand either.

It was said on the radio that you can get jailed for not having a TV licence yet all these top bankers and builders who screwed us are allowed to walk around scott free, aided by a crooked government. Roll on the local elections until we kick this shower of governing thieves out of office. I want a general election in September!

[INDIANA]

1- Lads you have to put the banking issue aside- if they don't solve that the economy will never recover. I wouldn't knock them for that. They have finally taken some action on this.

2- I disagree with them on the levies on the middle incomes. If you're a middle-class family with 2 kids you get hit with

- levies
-reduced mortgage interest
- reduced child benefit

They are getting hammered from all angles. Totally inequitable.

3- The entire tax system needs to be reformed. The high earners still not getting hit. How people over 100k only pay 27% tax should be outlawed (or 32%) now.

4- I worry whats coming down the line. Property tax, carbon tax etc.

I only agree with them on the banking system measures. I think the remainder of the measures are inequitable because the tax exiles and those huge public sector pensions will rest easy.

[Eoghan Mag]

1- Lads you have to put the banking issue aside- if they don't solve that the economy will never recover. I wouldn't knock them for that. They have finally taken some action on this.

Jappers INDIANA get yer head out of the sand they made a waffle of a PROPOSAL about banking. They will waffle loads more before they actually put in a system that works. I'd trust this to work about as much as I'd trust Cork players never to strike again!

[muppet]

1- Lads you have to put the banking issue aside- if they don't solve that the economy will never recover. I wouldn't knock them for that. They have finally taken some action on this.

2- I disagree with them on the levies on the middle incomes. If you're a middle-class family with 2 kids you get hit with

- levies
-reduced mortgage interest
- reduced child benefit

They are getting hammered from all angles. Totally inequitable.

3- The entire tax system needs to be reformed. The high earners still not getting hit. How people over 100k only pay 27% tax should be outlawed (or 32%) now.

4- I worry whats coming down the line. Property tax, carbon tax etc.

I only agree with them on the banking system measures. I think the remainder of the measures are inequitable because the tax exiles and those huge public sector pensions will rest easy.

What are you talking about?

41% PAYE + 5% Health levy + 6% Income levy + 5% PRSI (up to €75,000).

Up tp today 33% of workers paid no tax at all while those earning over €100,000 paid over 50% of all income tax. Obviously those who earn most should pay most but it is sickening to hear the whinging of those who contribute nothing demanding those who bankroll everything pay even more.

[Declan]

However, the most disgusting aspect of this budget relates to the banks. We take on the bad debts and a Government Agency  Roll Eyes will be set up to collect the money on behalf of the taxpayer. Meanwhile, 99.9% of the pricks that lent the money are till in situ with their jobs secured by our (increased tax monies). Im f**king pissed off.

spot on Seanie - Should have just nationalised them all but yet again FF pander to their buddies