The OFFICIAL Liverpool Supporters thread

[GalwayBayBoy]

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With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.

In fairness that's like comparing different shades of shite.

[Hound]

Carmen you're not talking much sense if you think Robbie was right to walk out.

Hound, Kuyt had a good shot saved by given, hit him in the face, I don't recall any other chance he missed.


Premiership:
Both Kuyt and Keane have five goals apiece.
Kuyt has started 22 games and Keane 17.
Kuyt has spent on average 87 minutes on the field - no surprise
Keane has spent on average 78 minutes - higher than I thought.

With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.

I don't think those stats show a clear difference between them. Kuyt was certainly better in the early part of the season, but not since then.

The goals per minute ratio is about the same, pretty shíte for both of them really.

They do share one other thing in common. The time when they scored twice in a game when their shooting confidence must have been at its highest, they were immediately dropped!

[peterquaife]

Heading to Anfield on Sunday morning next. Arrive at around 10.30ish in the airport, so don't want to waste too much time between going to hotel and getting to the ground for a loc of pints. Where does good food, reasonabley priced? Staying at Albert Docks, so anywhere there or at the ground.

there is a grand bar on the Albert Dock called the Pump or something, decent food and beer, not much of an atmosphere though. There is an entrance to Liverpool one opp the Albert Dock, has Nando's and the like in there.  Pizza Express for some stomach lining goodness and pint bottles of Peroni

happy hunting

[corn02]

So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player

No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?

[corn02]

Carmen you're not talking much sense if you think Robbie was right to walk out.

Hound, Kuyt had a good shot saved by given, hit him in the face, I don't recall any other chance he missed.


Premiership:
Both Kuyt and Keane have five goals apiece.
Kuyt has started 22 games and Keane 17.
Kuyt has spent on average 87 minutes on the field - no surprise
Keane has spent on average 78 minutes - higher than I thought.

With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.

I don't think those stats show a clear difference between them. Kuyt was certainly better in the early part of the season, but not since then.

The goals per minute ratio is about the same, pretty shíte for both of them really.

They do share one other thing in common. The time when they scored twice in a game when their shooting confidence must have been at its highest, they were immediately dropped!

Kuyt has certainly been better this season, but as you say, neither figure is prolific even for Kuyt playing a lot on the wing.

Let's hope they push on and the arguments are about who is doing better rather than who has been the worst of the two.

[peterquaife]

There is no doubt in my mind that Robbie Keane has been badly managed by Benitez.

Keane started off not good, but Benitez stuck with him and played him in every game. Keane then did progress and looked to be gradually finding his feet. While he didn't score in either of the wins v ManU and Everton for instance, he did play well in both games and lasted virtually 90 mins in both.

Then he breaks his duck in the win over PSV. Keane must have been buzzin, what does Rafa do? – he drops him for the first time!

Then Keane goes through a bad patch and is left out for a spell, until surprisingly recalled for the Arsenal game. Keane had played well in the bigger games and fair dues to Rafa for recognising it. He didnt play all that well, but he got a cracking goal and suddenly his confidence his back. He's plays great in the next game, gets 2 goals and finally the real Robbie Keane has arrived. So then he's immediately dropped.

When he starts a game again, Torres is back from injury on the bench, so the pressure is back on Robbie - and thus he's back to his early season form of trying too hard, and then he is back to in and out of the team. And then against Hull and Stoke he's left on the bench for 90 minutes when we're in desperate need of a goal. An almighty kick in the balls. I can only imagine how he must have felt. You'd swear Rafa's policy was designed to keep confidence low!

I don't care about Ngog being on the bench v Everton. He was never ever going to get on unless the game was over, even if both Torres and Kuyt got injured. And Keane didnt walk out, he could have watched the game from the stands, but he chose to stay at home (first team players not in the matchday squad always have a choice). If Keane doesnt feature either on Wednesday or Sunday, then it'll be clear he's not in Rafa's plans. But maybe he will and maybe this is just Rafa's (bizarre) thinking on how to keep him motivated.....

agreed. Rafa has been acting like a stubborn clown in regards to Keane. Had to switch over last night, couldnt actually listen to the man. His post match interview against Stoke etc etc

Utd to win the league or at least finish 10 points ahead of the Reds (pains to say by the way)

PQ

[corn02]

Has he been stubborn though?

Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.

Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.

[EC Unique]

Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw

This seems to be Liverpool's moto at present

[corn02]

Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw

This seems to be Liverpool's moto at present

Unfortunately so. Of course United had a similar sort of run in the first part of the season when they were dropping points.

[Hound]

Has he been stubborn though?

Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.

Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.

Taking him off first so often only damages his confidence. And he hasnt been the worst man all the time.

Not using Robbie as a subsitutue against the likes of Hull and Stoke was very strange. It is beyond my comprehension how he could do that when we really needed a goal. Its awful to think that the reason might be stubbornness, i.e. I decided not to play Robbie, and I don't want to be proved wrong by him coming on and scoring a goal. That surely can't be the reason, but there no logical reason

[The Watcher Pat]

Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw

This seems to be Liverpool's moto at present

Always is....So boring...always only play 1 striker even when playing at home....And before anyone starts Dirk Kuyt is not a striker!!

[Carmen Stateside]

So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player

No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?

Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently.  My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt.  Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did.  What odds is he to score first Wednesday?

[Minder]

So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player

No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?

Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently.  My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt. Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did.  What odds is he to score first Wednesday?

I would play El Zahar before Babel, at least he seems willing to take the man on, Babel neither has appetite nor desire. I think he is a lost cause, wasnt a great sign from him that he was willing to throw in the towel and go to Ajax.

[Hound]

Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently.  My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt.  Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did.  What odds is he to score first Wednesday?

Agree with that.

Babel would be so much better on the right than he is on the left. Tell him to get to the endline and get crosses in. On the left all he does is cut inside almost every time. Very frustrating having Kuyt on the right. Typical example early v Everton. He was putting a cross in from about 30 yards out from the endline, over on the wing, aiming for around the peno spot I'd say. He clears the crossbar  

[corn02]

So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player

No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?

Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently.  My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt.  Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did.  What odds is he to score first Wednesday?

Kuyt has dropped his levels, but not alarmingly. The goals have dried up at present but he has still been grand. There is no question he has been better than Keane when you take the season as a whole.

Which brings me to another point, I hate people judging Keane on half a season. For how shit he has been he still has five goals. If thingsd rectify he could easily hit 8 or 9 in the run in, even in a secondaryt role. 14 league goals would be a decent retunrn.

Watcher Pat, boring it may be, but 4-4-1-1 is our best formation. The balance of the team is spot on with it.