Race for the ARAS 2025

[Snapchap]

Connolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.

So she can call it "The Ukraine" all the wants then?

[Bord na Mona man]

Connolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.

So she can call it "The Ukraine" all the wants then?

She can call it what she wants, global diplomacy is not her strong point.
Does she really think Putin, or Netenyahu, or any other tyrant is going to heed her calls for peace?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Connolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.

So she can call it "The Ukraine" all the wants then?

She can call it what she wants, global diplomacy is not her strong point.
Does she really think Putin, or Netenyahu, or any other tyrant is going to heed her calls for peace?

some on here do.. she is just joining the global calls for peace instead of calls for more war.

I disagree that global diplomacy is not her strong point. I believe global diplomacy is speaking out against genocide and those who arm it or those who purse war over peace, regardless if they are considered ally or foe, for example. But as you say, those leaders won't heed her calls, it doesn't mean she shouldn't speak up.

[trueblue1234]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

[Banks of the Bann]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.

Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.



 

[Rossfan]

Before getting back to the boring election why are some on the left still pro Russian?
Russia is a right wing ethno Nationalist dictatorship.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.

Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.

 

in this context...as a response!!! they could have chose to do nothing either...

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Before getting back to the boring election why are some on the left still pro Russian?
Russia is a right wing ethno Nationalist dictatorship.

pro russian? does this include those labelled as tankies? people who call for peace? who on the left? or is it a general comment about people on the left... from the US you see right wing people pro Russian.. I'd sure its the same in ireland

[Banks of the Bann]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.

Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.

 

in this context...as a response!!! they could have chose to do nothing either...

They didn't choose war, they chose to help Ukraine defend itself.

Well, Germany actually initially did choose to do nothing (helmets anyone?).

Russia chose war. Russia and Russia alone.

You make no distinction between victim and aggressor. You and those like you engage in nothing other than victim blaming.

Ukraine for not laying down and for fighting back.

Estonia et al for wanting to join a defensive alliance to protect themselves.

Western 'anti-imperialists' - the biggest hypocrites and bunch of charlatans on the planet.

[trueblue1234]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

They end when there's an acceptable deal on the table for both sides. They can not end before that regardless of diplomatic efforts. But that's an aside. It was not Ukraine who chose war. The option of peace was removed from them by an aggressor.

But you're right this thread should be more about the election.

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/1010/1537809-nobel-peace-prize/


Venezuela opposition leader Maria Corina Machado awarded Nobel Peace Prize

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

They end when there's an acceptable deal on the table for both sides. They can not end before that regardless of diplomatic efforts. But that's an aside. It was not Ukraine who chose war. The option of peace was removed from them by an aggressor.

But you're right this thread should be more about the election.

you are saying a deal is required before diplomatic efforts, I believe it is diplomatic efforts that lead to deals and peace.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.

Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.

 

in this context...as a response!!! they could have chose to do nothing either...

They didn't choose war, they chose to help Ukraine defend itself.

Well, Germany actually initially did choose to do nothing (helmets anyone?).

Russia chose war. Russia and Russia alone.

You make no distinction between victim and aggressor. You and those like you engage in nothing other than victim blaming.

Ukraine for not laying down and for fighting back.

Estonia et al for wanting to join a defensive alliance to protect themselves.

Western 'anti-imperialists' - the biggest hypocrites and bunch of charlatans on the planet.

I should have know better to engage with you again.

how did they chose to defend Ukraine? they had a choice and they chose to support war not peace.

I am in no way blaming Ukraine or saying Russia didn't start the war with invasion. as I have said the Ukraine (only to annoy you)has been let down by the US and Europe, they neither did enough to bring about  peace or to defeat Russia militarily. Their motives imo are questionable.

[Banks of the Bann]

Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.

how do wars end?  no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.

but this thread is is about the election.. 

They end when there's an acceptable deal on the table for both sides. They can not end before that regardless of diplomatic efforts. But that's an aside. It was not Ukraine who chose war. The option of peace was removed from them by an aggressor.

But you're right this thread should be more about the election.

you are saying a deal is required before diplomatic efforts, I believe it is diplomatic efforts that lead to deals and peace.

Who decided there would be no more diplomatic efforts? Oh yes, that's right, it was Russia, when they invaded.

How did Trump's recent diplomatic efforts go? You know, even when he was going to hand Russia everything they wanted and was putting pressure on Ukraine.

You can't have 'diplomatic efforts' when one side isn't interested.