Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[DaleCooper]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

[Armagh18]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

Definitely at county level and developing players who can kick them reliably will be huge. The big man at 14 in case of one dropping short is probably a good idea too.

[trileacman]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

Not when you don't score them. Look how many Donegal missed in the 2nd half. Look how many Meath missed in their semi-final. It's so easy to say teams should use the 2-pointers but when your ballooning possession wide of the posts what's the point of that?

It's a real gripe when analysts used to say to "beat a blanket defence just kick long-range points". As if all teams were capable of scoring consistently from 40m but choose not too.

A proper analysis would be to find out how many 2 point attempts from play are scored. Even if someone did it just for the final id be interested.

[GTP]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

Setting up a two pointer by endlessly handpassing round the arc to get your shooter in position sounds an awful lot like the situation the new rules had tried to prevent. There is no incentive for fast ball up the field if you are only trying to get it to the 40m arc. It is a fundamentally different game when supporters are saying teams, such as Donegal in the All-Ireland final should be going for 2-pointers rather than hunting goals. The two minutes leading up to the excellently converted last score of the first half in the final shows that this new type of football won't always be enthralling.
And I know teams can push out but to do so and try to put in a tackle risks the award of a free and an even easier shot at two points.

[Stall the Bailer]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

If the 2 point rule was not a thing, Kerry would only have been 2 points a head going into the final minutes. Not sure this makes it a silver lining, as it would have made the game more competitive

[Armagh18]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

Not when you don't score them. Look how many Donegal missed in the 2nd half. Look how many Meath missed in their semi-final. It's so easy to say teams should use the 2-pointers but when your ballooning possession wide of the posts what's the point of that?

It's a real gripe when analysts used to say to "beat a blanket defence just kick long-range points". As if all teams were capable of scoring consistently from 40m but choose not too.

A proper analysis would be to find out how many 2 point attempts from play are scored. Even if someone did it just for the final id be interested.

Did Kerry miss any? Ryan missed a free or 2, don't think Donegal even went for any more than 2 or 3

[AustinPowers]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

2 pointers are the biggest reward now, so of course  teams are going to  set up accordingly. 
If it  was 5 points for hitting the corner flag , or 3 points for  hitting the big screen , teams would set up accordingly then too. It doesn't mean it's a  great spectacle 

We  don't have Gaelic football, we now have a bastardised game , even more bastardised  than the International rules. 

[Rossfan]

What do you class as "gaelic football"

[DaleCooper]

The alternative to rules would be GPS aided man to man game, you could set off alarms if breaching your traditional position too much with certain allowances for heroic corner back runs.

[BigGreenField]

The 4 points for a goal would seem a certainty to be recommended to come back in, not convinced it would change much at county level but would at Club level. Might also hasten the shrinking of a lot f county senior club championships.

The backcourt rule I don't think works or is needed, half a Gaa pitch is still a massive area and teams will defend the big arc. If you go with this better to get rid of 3 or 4 of the new rules and just bring in a shot clock.

[David McKeown]

The 4 points for a goal would seem a certainty to be recommended to come back in, not convinced it would change much at county level but would at Club level. Might also hasten the shrinking of a lot f county senior club championships.

The backcourt rule I don't think works or is needed, half a Gaa pitch is still a massive area and teams will defend the big arc. If you go with this better to get rid of 3 or 4 of the new rules and just bring in a shot clock.

What does a 4 point goal mean for a traditional point though. When you were averaging say 16 or 17 points a game a point was about 6% of your total score. When you are scoring 25 points it's about 4%. So it's already been devalued. Would increasing goal tallies decrease it more. If so does that not encourage teams towards a style of play to either go for goals at all costs or try for 2 pointers. Ie forget about trying to score a point particularly a tricky one requiring high skill levels.

[Blowitupref]

One silver lining of the final, and hopefully stats will reflect this, that the two pointers are worth the added risk.

It seemed a total no brainer to me.

Not when you don't score them. Look how many Donegal missed in the 2nd half. Look how many Meath missed in their semi-final. It's so easy to say teams should use the 2-pointers but when your ballooning possession wide of the posts what's the point of that?

It's a real gripe when analysts used to say to "beat a blanket defence just kick long-range points". As if all teams were capable of scoring consistently from 40m but choose not too.

A proper analysis would be to find out how many 2 point attempts from play are scored. Even if someone did it just for the final id be interested.

Did Kerry miss any? Ryan missed a free or 2, don't think Donegal even went for any more than 2 or 3

They missed plenty.  Kerry scored 5 two pointers from 12 attempts.   Donegal no two pointer Sunday from three attempts.   Both scored big in their semi finals but only scored 1 two pointer each.

30 two pointers Kerry scored in this years championship and mainly came from two players. David Clifford and Sean O'Shea who scored 27 of the 30.

[DaleCooper]

I was more thinking of the semi final where Donegal kicked none and put up a serious score.

If I was dictator I would make it illegal to handpass points inside the 21m line. Instead , you would have to go for goals and if deflected over the bar point stands.


The whole 4 pt goal thing makes a bit of sense given the temptation to try for 2 pointers. My alternative 2 pointer : You must score 2× from outside the arc to earn a "bonus point" and leave the goal as 3 points.


I understand these are my own musings and there a ton of complications /ways of doing things.

[EoinW]

This is what I have meant by the term "slippery slope".  Once you make one major rule change it is easier to make a second change.  Even easier to make a third change...and so on.

We had the 2 point rule - a major change in the game.  Now, because of that initial change, people are talking about moving it outside 45m(another rule change) or making a goal worth 4 points(yet another rule change).  Perhaps more ideas still in the pipeline.

Statistically, even if we count all the 2 pointers scored this year as only single points, I am confident that 2025 was the highest scoring year in the history of the game.  If the goal of the FRC was to get more offence into the game then...mission accomplished.

Instead of this never ending argument over what to do with the game to accommodate the 2 pointer, why not do the most simple thing and abolish the 2 pointer?  You'll still have a game that is higher scoring than it's ever been.

[DaleCooper]

Yeah thats the only true downside. The 3v3 definitely key to the scoring bonanza