A5 WTC (New Road from Aughnacloy to Derry)

[marty34]

I would say that this Alternative A5 were through the application with a microscope looking for any avenues to challenge. That's why, I'd be concerned that should they satisfy the Climate controls issues. Would another case be lodged on a different issue. It's a delaying tactic to prevent this happening as long as possible. There should be a limit to the number of appeals that a group can lodge.

Fair point.

Like Casement Park, the road will be built eventually but at the cost of how many lives unfortunately?

[David McKeown]

I would say that this Alternative A5 were through the application with a microscope looking for any avenues to challenge. That's why, I'd be concerned that should they satisfy the Climate controls issues. Would another case be lodged on a different issue. It's a delaying tactic to prevent this happening as long as possible. There should be a limit to the number of appeals that a group can lodge.

Very easy way to avoid that. Do it properly next time.

[Wildweasel74]

They not too worried about climate with the amount of slurry and fertiliser ending up in the rivers these days. Nxt time out it be sthing else. The Dungiven bypass came on board yrs later, and was done and dusted few yrs now, be it a yr late.

[Wildweasel74]

Another thing, Carbon neutrality, that never happen by the way for 2050, is not worth 1 life lost in the meantime. As much as I do thing we need look at global warming. Water quality, etc. What's the point some countries going full tilt, when the 3 biggest offenders, USA, India,and China don't give 2 fucks. Nothing anybody do will change anything unless them 3 countries get into line.

[Tony Baloney]

I would say that this Alternative A5 were through the application with a microscope looking for any avenues to challenge. That's why, I'd be concerned that should they satisfy the Climate controls issues. Would another case be lodged on a different issue. It's a delaying tactic to prevent this happening as long as possible. There should be a limit to the number of appeals that a group can lodge.

Goes back to my original point (and David's). Why aren't the people in charge making sure all submissions are watertight and leave this crowd nowhere to go. The judge in the ruling today basically spelled out that he didn't like the ruling but had no option due to the shoddy work of DfI. It's Casement all over. People can blame themmuns all they want but it should be left that any and all objections are thrown out.

[Wildweasel74]

Dungiven/Toome bypasses finished in the last 5yrs, and i do know a no of objectors round Castledawson/Seamus Heaney group etc. It still went through fairly quick, environmental issues and all. So how's this one different, Carbon Neutral issue didn't just pop up for Omagh, it been relevant to the above project too.

[WT4E]

Who is financially backing A5A

[Tony Baloney]

Who is financially backing A5A

If they are big landowners I'm sure they aren't shy of a few quid.

[WT4E]

Who is financially backing A5A

If they are big landowners I'm sure they aren't shy of a few quid.

I would doubt they would be pouring their own money into this - some aren't even from the area.

Part of the group - they don't ever be seen but they include:
'We have teachers, retired teachers, civil servants, retired civil servants, quantity surveyors, veterinary surgeons, postmasters.'

They will not comment on how may are in the group but:

'a group of between three and six key figures tend to "get on with the thing'

They wont meet with MLAs

I'd say if you scrutinised them and followed the money it would give you a very interesting insight into this whole thing.

[johnnycool]

I would say that this Alternative A5 were through the application with a microscope looking for any avenues to challenge. That's why, I'd be concerned that should they satisfy the Climate controls issues. Would another case be lodged on a different issue. It's a delaying tactic to prevent this happening as long as possible. There should be a limit to the number of appeals that a group can lodge.

Very easy way to avoid that. Do it properly next time.

Exactly this and exactly this with the Casement debacle.

You get the impression with the Shinners and the SDLP they're so desperate to go back to their electorate with a "look what we've done" win that the fúck up the process each and every time.

Lets not kid ourselves, the biggest and best brains in Nationalism aren't exactly queuing up to go into politics.

[Snapchap]

Who is financially backing A5A

If they are big landowners I'm sure they aren't shy of a few quid.

I would doubt they would be pouring their own money into this - some aren't even from the area.

Part of the group - they don't ever be seen but they include:
'We have teachers, retired teachers, civil servants, retired civil servants, quantity surveyors, veterinary surgeons, postmasters.'

They will not comment on how may are in the group but:

'a group of between three and six key figures tend to "get on with the thing'

They wont meet with MLAs

I'd say if you scrutinised them and followed the money it would give you a very interesting insight into this whole thing.

They crawled out from under their rock at court yesterday, the horrible b*****ds:

[tyrone08]

Who is financially backing A5A

If they are big landowners I'm sure they aren't shy of a few quid.

I would doubt they would be pouring their own money into this - some aren't even from the area.

Part of the group - they don't ever be seen but they include:
'We have teachers, retired teachers, civil servants, retired civil servants, quantity surveyors, veterinary surgeons, postmasters.'

They will not comment on how may are in the group but:

'a group of between three and six key figures tend to "get on with the thing'

They wont meet with MLAs

I'd say if you scrutinised them and followed the money it would give you a very interesting insight into this whole thing.

They crawled out from under their rock at court yesterday, the horrible b*****ds:

Looks like wont be many objectors within next 5 years

[NAG1]

I would say that this Alternative A5 were through the application with a microscope looking for any avenues to challenge. That's why, I'd be concerned that should they satisfy the Climate controls issues. Would another case be lodged on a different issue. It's a delaying tactic to prevent this happening as long as possible. There should be a limit to the number of appeals that a group can lodge.

Very easy way to avoid that. Do it properly next time.

Exactly this and exactly this with the Casement debacle.

You get the impression with the Shinners and the SDLP they're so desperate to go back to their electorate with a "look what we've done" win that the fúck up the process each and every time.

Lets not kid ourselves, the biggest and best brains in Nationalism aren't exactly queuing up to go into politics.

To be fair to Shinners they would have very very little input into the process that is used and the operational elements of this which would be handled by DFI.

Think it says a lot more about the CS that a political party, though you point about the biggest brains probably applies to the CS as it does to political life.

[giveherlong]

From John Campbell BBC:

"Today's High Court judgement reminds us that the Planning Appeals Commission found that serial bungling by the Dept for Infrastructure has been central to A5 delays."

Repeated delays are due to a series of unforced errors by DFI.

They have given the landowners open goals to hit every time.

Blame lies squarely at the door of DFI. Serious incompetence

[johnnycool]

I would say that this Alternative A5 were through the application with a microscope looking for any avenues to challenge. That's why, I'd be concerned that should they satisfy the Climate controls issues. Would another case be lodged on a different issue. It's a delaying tactic to prevent this happening as long as possible. There should be a limit to the number of appeals that a group can lodge.

Very easy way to avoid that. Do it properly next time.

Exactly this and exactly this with the Casement debacle.

You get the impression with the Shinners and the SDLP they're so desperate to go back to their electorate with a "look what we've done" win that the fúck up the process each and every time.

Lets not kid ourselves, the biggest and best brains in Nationalism aren't exactly queuing up to go into politics.

To be fair to Shinners they would have very very little input into the process that is used and the operational elements of this which would be handled by DFI.

Think it says a lot more about the CS that a political party, though you point about the biggest brains probably applies to the CS as it does to political life.

When you watch that nut job interview Steko Nolan did the time of the RHI scandal with Jonathan Bell, where a high ranking very Civil Servant more or less believed everything Bell said as he was an evangelical christian like himself..
And the staggering levels of Civil Service incompetence was also very much highlighted during that debacle.

We should not be surprised one bit.