All Ireland Championship 2025.

Started by Blowitupref, April 27, 2025, 06:12:46 PM

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Gael80

I don't think it is right rules being changed mid championship. If there is a debate on the midfield interference surely this should be voted before the club championships.

The teams playing next week have a game to try these changes before the QF's.

It's an interesting debate if this rule change would suit certain teams. My initial thoughts are it could slow some systems which others would be happy with.

gallsman

In principle I fully agree but think everyone's up in arms over the interference with the mark in particular. It's not as if any one team is lording it and will now miss out.

trileacman

Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 09:59:03 PMTSG just showed replay of Murphy. Long ball into him. Wins it out in front, hesitates, turns and lays it off to man coming off the shoulder. Mayo man immediately clatters him square in the back.

No screen, no check. No "St. Michael". No trampishness. He didn't move and was looking the other way from where the Mayo lad hit him.

Quit yer yappin'.

Yeah Murphy did nothing wrong there, Mayo man was trying to buy a free given that he knew he couldn't round Murphy and get to his marker in time to put in a tackle. Deliberately made contact look as grevious as possible by making no attempt to round Murphy. Faloon got it right.

On a side note, Faloon let so much go today, barely gave any advantages even when they were well warranted. It's not a criticism but he marks the hard right of the referee spectrum, it is a bit unfair on players and coaches to be subject to Faloons rulebook one week and then Gough's the next. The spread of interpretation amongst the top level refs is just too large. Personally I'd prefer if they all took Faloons approach but there needs to be a narrower interpretation of the rules amongst the refs, they just can't continue to think "I ref like this". They need to acknowledge that there's a need to interpret fouls consistently week to week.
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blanketattack

Terrible game management by Mayo. Should have waited until after the hooter before shooting.
When you're looking at scoring the decisive score in the last few seconds, you make sure there's no time for the opposition to score again.

trileacman

Will all the quarter finals be in Croke Park?
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snoopdog

Quote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 09:59:03 PMTSG just showed replay of Murphy. Long ball into him. Wins it out in front, hesitates, turns and lays it off to man coming off the shoulder. Mayo man immediately clatters him square in the back.

No screen, no check. No "St. Michael". No trampishness. He didn't move and was looking the other way from where the Mayo lad hit him.

Quit yer yappin'.

Yeah Murphy did nothing wrong there, Mayo man was trying to buy a free given that he knew he couldn't round Murphy and get to his marker in time to put in a tackle. Deliberately made contact look as grevious as possible by making no attempt to round Murphy. Faloon got it right.

On a side note, Faloon let so much go today, barely gave any advantages even when they were well warranted. It's not a criticism but he marks the hard right of the referee spectrum, it is a bit unfair on players and coaches to be subject to Faloons rulebook one week and then Gough's the next. The spread of interpretation amongst the top level refs is just too large. Personally I'd prefer if they all took Faloons approach but there needs to be a narrower interpretation of the rules amongst the refs, they just can't continue to think "I ref like this". They need to acknowledge that there's a need to interpret fouls consistently week to week.
Or Coldricks rules, which are made up as he goes along. He was dreadful in Arnagh today

Angus MacGyver

Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 15, 2025, 10:07:56 PMThe disrespect shown to Cavan is a joke. If Mayo "deserved" to still be in the championship, why couldn't they beat Cavan in Castlebar?

It's surely not disrespectful to acknowledge that Mayo will nearly always exit the championship in glorious failure having emptied the tank, whilst Cavan will nearly always exit the championship with a double digit loss, having given up after 15 mins.
Failure is failure no matter how glorious. Cavan are in the next round on merit

Truthsayer

Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 16, 2025, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 15, 2025, 10:07:56 PMThe disrespect shown to Cavan is a joke. If Mayo "deserved" to still be in the championship, why couldn't they beat Cavan in Castlebar?

It's surely not disrespectful to acknowledge that Mayo will nearly always exit the championship in glorious failure having emptied the tank, whilst Cavan will nearly always exit the championship with a double digit loss, having given up after 15 mins.
Failure is failure no matter how glorious. Cavan are in the next round on merit
Cavan are useless. Went to the Tyrone-Cavan game in Omagh. They never laid a hand on Tyrone. Result never in doubt. Is reason I didn't waste my money going today. Donegal destroyed them. Mayo must have been very complacent to lose to them.. a freak result if ever there was one. Team gets them in the draw will be laughing

Manning18

Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.

Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.

They've been by far the most turgid of the big teams to watch this year. Every one of their championship games has had under the average number of points this year, some of them significantly so.

The only common denominator there is Mayo. The new rules reward clever and classy forward play and that's something they've always struggled with, even back when they were good

Wildweasel74

Does conceding 30pts and get creamed by Tyrone twice not leave a sour taste in the Breffni county. A bad beating  awaits again nxt week.

BillyFlynnfromTrim

I don't think people realise how remarkable Meath victory over kerry was at weekend. Kerry are rarely hammered in championship. It was one worst defeats in history of kerry football.

Meaths defeat of kerry was in top 5 worst championship defeats kerry have had since 1950

Kerrys Worst defeats in Championship since 1950 are

1 Meath 2001 15 pts
2 Cork 1990 15 pts
3 Cork 1971 11 pts
4 Meath 2025 9 pts
5 Offaly 1972 9 pts
6 Cork 1973 9 pts
7 Down 1960 8 pts

It was 5th worst defeat kerry have had in championship v team outside Munster ever

Kerrys top ten defeats in championship ever in last 140 years
to teams outside Munster

1 Meath 2001 15 pts
2 Antrim 1912 12 pts
3 Dublin 1934 11 pts
4 Mayo 1948 10 pts
5 Meath 2025 9 pts
6 Offaly 1972 9 pts
7 Down 1960 8 pts
8 Down 1991 7 pts
9 Dublin 1976 7 pts
10 Dublin 2013 7 pts
11 Tyrone 2003 7 pts

It was also the first team has beaten kerry and Dublin in same championship in 18 years since Tyrone in 2008

Only teams ever to beat Kerry & Dublin in same championship are

Meath 2025
Tyrone 2008
Tyrone 2005
Armagh 2002
Meath 2001
Kildare 1998
Offaly 1982
Cork 1989
Kildare 1927

Meath are youngest team ever to beat Kerry & Dublin in same championship

Meath also are first team to beat Dubs in leinster in 15 years

Meath wouldn't win trophy this year but they have definitely had eye catching significant results.

BillyFlynnfromTrim

Watching Sunday Game clearly didn't watch the game. It was pundits talking about Meath worked harder. But forgot to mention quality of football Meath was brillant. It was better performance than Dublin game. Meath could struggle in quarter final v Donegal or Dublin looking for revenge. They are young team, possibly youngest team in the country. But in 2 or 3 years time Meath should have serious team. Peoole don't realise how young this Meath team is.

Billy Hogan 22
Brian O'Halloran 21
Sean Coffey 22
Ciaran Caulfield 21
Eoghan Frayne 21
Conor Duke 20
Ruari kinsella 21
Keith Curtis 23
Adam O'Neill 23
Jack Flynn 24
Jordan Morris 24
Matthew Costello 25
Shane Walsh 25
Cian McBride 23
Sean Brennan 22
Diarmaid Moriarty 22
Jack kinlough 20
Conor Gray 21

That is youngest Meath of last 50 years. Some of these young players are as good as I have seen come out of Meath. I have followed Meath since 1984. Ciaran Caulfield is as good as half back I have ever seen play for Meath. Jordan Morris is better corner forward at 24 than Ollie Murphy was at 24. Ruari kinsella is best playmaker we have had since Giles. Matthew Costello is as talented as Geraghty and could become an even greater player than Graham Geraghty.

Also Meath still have players to come through from All Ireland underage winning teams and leinster underage winning teams. Players like Brian Stafford nephew Rian only 19 scored 16 pts at club match last week. He is serious talent. There is also allot 6ft 4 6ft 5 18 19 year old midfield half forwards who are brillant at 2 pointers coming through. Conor Duke has being excellent this year, especially 2 pointers. But I personally think  this years U20s Rian Stafford, Cian Commins and John Harkin are better than Duke. Jamie Murphy who was hitting 10 pts in championship games for Meath U20s this years looks like player with real potential. Another 6ft 4 Meath gaint. And Jack Flynn, Ronan Jones, Jack kinlough and James Conlon who are now out for the year. Should be back next year. Jack O Connor will be back from his travels and Conor Nash auzzie rules contact us up in 12 months and he says he wants to play for Meath. Nash is most talented footballer Meath have produced in last ten years. And as Frayne Caulfield Costello get older hit 23 24 25 next few years Meath should get stronger.

Meath will probably bow out at quarter stage, but if they were deliver the performance they beat kerry with, they will beat any team in country. Meath have brilliant this year in games v Down Cavan Roscommon Carlow Cork Offaly kerry Dublin. Even in first half v louth in leinster final, Meath played some brillant play. Is there chance seen how Meath are getting better even since Dublib game. Could we b looking at Kerry 1975, Meath 1996, Cork hurlers 1999, Clare hurlers 2013 were young team mushrooms over night from nowhere into All Ireland winners. Unlikely but Meath win their quarter final, they are definitely contenders than. But in coming years especially 2027 2028 2029, Meath potential is huge. Tyrone are defintly coming team in gaelic football. I definitely think Meath are another team to 5ÿwatch out for.

Blowitupref

Quote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 11:00:10 PMWill all the quarter finals be in Croke Park?
Yes. Debate to be had that the same should be done as the Tailteann cup whereby the group winners gets home advantage for the Quarter finals.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Dunneroyal

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 15, 2025, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: mup on June 15, 2025, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 06:48:06 PMDunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.

Let's put some respect on his name.

Hoganstands gain is gaaboards loss. Mark my words that blowing will become tiresome.

Big win for kildare

Yeah the reality should be aiming for a tc win and guarantee themselves an all ire spot next year.
Hon the royal

Dunneroyal

Quote from: joemamas on June 15, 2025, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: mup on June 15, 2025, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 06:48:06 PMDunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.

Let's put some respect on his name.

Hoganstands gain is gaaboards loss. Mark my words that blowing will become tiresome.
Bingo, and also his 15 other aliases.

Only the one lad. But do I give a flying what you or a Kildare lad think ? Nah. We just beat Kerry.
Hon the royal.
Hon the royal