Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[Baile Brigín 2]

As if you care about the A5.

It was just one example, chosen because if you listen to Burns, it has a special place in the hearts of Gaels (though how he was going to stop non-Gaels using it beats me. Tolls?).

But then I suppose in your world using the money for anything rather than Casement would be great news.

Then you suppose wrong*.

I have been quite clear: the GAA deserves a new stadium in Belfast, using its £62.5m share of the Maze money. And if they're prepared to top that up with £15m of their own money, good for them. Ditto any money they can get from Dublin.

But the problem is, they fecked about looking to build a vanity project which even many GAA supporters accepted was overblown and unnecessary. Then, when the result of their own incompetence meant they suffered inflationary construction costs, instead of admitting responsibility and cutting their cloth accordingly, they blamed everyone else and then expected the Brits to bale them out.

Worse, when an extra £50m was found for them even in these straitened times, they complained that this wasn't enough. Which conveniently ignores two things. First, when the Maze money was to be divided equally between Soccer and GAA, why don't the IFA qualify for an equal payout now, too? And second, from their original £62.5m Maze payout, the IFA decided to spend £26m on Windsor, and £36.5m on regional stadia afterwards. Yet this latter sum has been held up by various Ministers on the basis that Casement needed to be sorted first i.e. Soccer effectively punished for the GAA's incompetence.

Worse still, when Burns complains that the GAA's original £62m has been eroded by inflation, would he accept that the IFA's £36.5m has been similarly eroded, through no fault of their own, and so deserves a cut of whatever extra may be available?

All of which merely argues for equality of treatment between the two codes, which was supposed to be the principle behind such funding all along. And just so you cannot twist it further, that means if Soccer receives X, then the GAA deserves X, too.


* - Btw it might be an idea to read what I actually post to ascertain what I think, rather than just projecting your own prejudices onto me.

Your point on schools and hospitals is old emotive nonsense.

Does that imply you don't care for such matters then, if someone who does is "emotive" or talking "nonsense"?

Schools and hospitals can put business cases to the Executive if they need resources for capital projects like everyone else.

There is a finite pot of money, meaning the more money goes to (the outrageous overspend on) one project, the less is available for other (more deserving) projects.

But you probably knew that, even if you don't care to acknowledge it.

Do you understand how inflation works? Why would the IFA, who received what they required at the time be subject to an inflationary increase now. An inflationary increase means the equivalent of what £60 million was at the time the money was allocated. It's like being in work and receiving £1100 a month in 2012. Then in 2025 you start work again after being inactive for a decade. You get paid £1100 a month.

Yeah so as I thought you were just using the A5 as a political football.

Of course I care about schools and hospitals. Who doesn't? But everytime something is built that benefits the Nationalist community we get the same emotive language about money for the NHS. It's tiresome. £60 million for an Ice rink in a Unionist area, no problem. £50 million for a GAA stadium in a Nationalist area- oh God won't someone think of the children!!

Finite money or not if capital projects need built then the business case will be brought forward by whoever requires that funding.

Why should the GAA get an inflationary increase?

He has a point. Soccer are due a second tranche which has been blocked until Casement is sorted. That amount is declining as inflation bites. Quite unfair on them.

[LC]

First of all for the 1000th time it can't be f**king built somewhere else...It's Casement or nowt.
Maybe VAT on ticket sales wasn't mentioned enough so maybe throw it in another few times there.
It's not being scaled back so please stop saying built it with the money you have and cut your cloth...They're going all out for the 34k stadium.
As for planning...once you have full planning in place you can construct a wall as part of the project and come back in 10 years and finish it if you feel like it unless there is a special planning requirement placed as part of the approval that the works must be complete in a certain time frame, this is usually in place if the Construction works is having a major impact on others around or major infrastructure etc.
It is us v them whether you like or not and them are more bitter and twisted than us, them hate us and don't want us to have anything and we should just crawl back under the rock and be quiet.
If only i'd have won the Euro millions on Tue nite I could have funded the rest of it myself...

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

Agree a 100% but not a 34,000 seater white elephant.

Cork can at least fill Pair Ui Chaoimh the odd time but they are still in debt to their eyeballs but in comparison to the Casement their place was a bargain i.e. €100m for 45,000 seater.  The GAA will be mindful of this therefore be surprised if they will pony up much more ££.  Also setting aside building a 34,000 stadium has anyone ever thought how much it would cost to run it / maintain it per annum, bearing in mind the brains trust that is the Ulster Council I imagine this would not even be on their radar.

[Evil Genius]

Do you understand how inflation works? Why would the IFA, who received what they required at the time be subject to an inflationary increase now. An inflationary increase means the equivalent of what £60 million was at the time the money was allocated. It's like being in work and receiving £1100 a month in 2012. Then in 2025 you start work again after being inactive for a decade. You get paid £1100 a month.

Jeez you're hard work.

FYI the IFA DIDN'T receive what they wanted at the time. They applied to draw upon, and received, £26m at the time to rebuild Windsor, allocating the remaining £36m for regional stadia. Except that they were not allowed to draw this last money until the 3 main projects were ready. Then when the money was devolved to Stormont and could have been released, a SF Minister effectively held the money hostage while the GAA were fecking about with Casement.
Meaning that the £36m we were due in 2011, is now worth much less in 2025 - and we STILL haven't seen a penny of it.

But thanks for the GCSE Economics lesson... 

EDIT: Just seen Baile Briggin 2's post # 6330 above - thanks for that BB2! 

Yeah so as I thought you were just using the A5 as a political football.

Er, no. If anyone was using it as a political football it was Burns, with his attempt to characterise the need to upgrade a road with a high death rate as somehow the "property" of Gaels.

But hey, substitute the A5 with any other road in NI which could do with upgrading and the point still stands.

Of course I care about schools and hospitals. Who doesn't? But everytime something is built that benefits the Nationalist community we get the same emotive language about money for the NHS. It's tiresome.

There can be no objection to the GAA's share of the Maze money going to the GAA for Casement, with the resulting benefit to the Nationalist community etc.

What I am concerned with is that after the GAA screws up for over a decade and erodes the money which was due to it, they have the brass neck to demand an extra handout of £100m+, which won't come from the original (sports) budget, but instead will have to come from the general budget, which is already under huge strain.
For to take an example s.o. pointed out elsewhere, Mike Nesbitt approved a £200m pay rise recently for health workers but then admitted that he didnt have the money to pay for the pay rise and thats on top of a huge shortfall in the health budget, not to mention other departments also having shortfalls in their budgets.

But hey ho, you don't really care about any of that if it got in the way of hundreds of millions being spent on a white elephant which the GAA themselves tell us will be filled to capacity precisely once a year. If that.

£60 million for an Ice rink in a Unionist area, no problem. £50 million for a GAA stadium in a Nationalist area- oh God won't someone think of the children!!

If you want to start up a thread on the Ice Bowl, fire away. I will have no problem criticising the twats in the DUP behind that particular scheme - all the rest of their wastefulness and graft too, for that matter.

But here you're not comparing like-with-like, since it's not comparing one "Unionist" scheme with another "Nationalist" one.

Rather it is one single issue i.e. the distribution of the Maze money, which was intended to be equal between Soccer and GAA. Yet Soccer effectively gets "punished" (£36m withheld) for the GAA's incompetence, while the latter get "rewarded" (£50m handout).

Oh and while you're banging on about Nationalist grievance vis-a-vis Unionist handouts etc, it may have escaped your attention that in the context of the Maze money, one of the two recipients is very much cross-community, whereas the other basically serves just the one. "Sport For All", eh?

Finite money or not if capital projects need built then the business case will be brought forward by whoever requires that funding.

Except it isn't "finite money or not", it's finite. Which to continue the GCSE Economics lesson, means it can only be spent once. And not even then, if it's already been diverted elsewhere, to a rather less urgent project.

[Rossfan]

Pedantic point of order or something.....
Páirc Uí Chaoimh has 24,000 seats and 20k standing terracing.

[LC]

Pedantic point of order or something.....
Páirc Uí Chaoimh has 24,000 seats and 20k standing terracing.

Happy to be corrected.

[Rossfan]

Pedantic point of order or something.....
Páirc Uí Chaoimh has 24,000 seats and 20k standing terracing.

Happy to be corrected.

👍😁.
Louth's new stadium costing €24m for what's probably phase 1 -Site development, Stand,floodlights, dressing rooms and ancillaries.
Rest to be done as funds become available.
Final capacity to be 14k.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Thanks for the advice.

But personally I hope they build something that will not only benefit the GAA but the city and region as a whole. I'm not looking to build with all due respect another Athletic Grounds.

What is wrong with the Athletic grounds?

It's the perfect template that they should be following!

Build something that could help to regenerate an area which has been neglected for decades.

Bullshit. On so many levels, that is just bullshit.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

I for one would not even contribute the steam off my piss.
If it goes ahead as planned, its hanging a massive millstone around the neck of the Ulster Council (UC) for decades, and that will have real connotations for UC coaching development etc.


When the ongoing maintenance costs of the ivory towers becomes clear in due course, the level of stupidity in calling for this stadium as currently designed will also become crystal clear.



I'd much rather put my money into any club looking to make a second pitch or changing rooms - something of far more benefit.

[Hereiam]

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

I for one would not even contribute the steam off my piss.
If it goes ahead as planned, its hanging a massive millstone around the neck of the Ulster Council (UC) for decades, and that will have real connotations for UC coaching development etc.


When the ongoing maintenance costs of the ivory towers becomes clear in due course, the level of stupidity in calling for this stadium as currently designed will also become crystal clear.



I'd much rather put my money into any club looking to make a second pitch or changing rooms - something of far more benefit.

Unreal.....can you not see past the nose on your face, future generations should have this stadium.
The great days of going to Clones on Ulster final day are a thing of the past, and live only in our heads.
Why can we not have a stadium where you can get the same feeling of pride walking into it as you do when going into Croke Park and its only up the road.

[trileacman]

First of all for the 1000th time it can't be f**king built somewhere else...It's Casement or nowt.
Maybe VAT on ticket sales wasn't mentioned enough so maybe throw it in another few times there.
It's not being scaled back so please stop saying built it with the money you have and cut your cloth...They're going all out for the 34k stadium.
As for planning...once you have full planning in place you can construct a wall as part of the project and come back in 10 years and finish it if you feel like it unless there is a special planning requirement placed as part of the approval that the works must be complete in a certain time frame, this is usually in place if the Construction works is having a major impact on others around or major infrastructure etc.
It is us v them whether you like or not and them are more bitter and twisted than us, them hate us and don't want us to have anything and we should just crawl back under the rock and be quiet.
If only i'd have won the Euro millions on Tue nite I could have funded the rest of it myself...

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

     

Sweet f**king Jesus. If the island of Ireland had 100 million GAA members your bizarre suggestion still wouldn't fund Casement. To make up the shortfall every single club in Ulster would have to contribute 180,000£.

All this for a stadium that will be filled once a year.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

I for one would not even contribute the steam off my piss.
If it goes ahead as planned, its hanging a massive millstone around the neck of the Ulster Council (UC) for decades, and that will have real connotations for UC coaching development etc.


When the ongoing maintenance costs of the ivory towers becomes clear in due course, the level of stupidity in calling for this stadium as currently designed will also become crystal clear.



I'd much rather put my money into any club looking to make a second pitch or changing rooms - something of far more benefit.

Unreal.....can you not see past the nose on your face, future generations should have this stadium.
The great days of going to Clones on Ulster final day are a thing of the past, and live only in our heads.
Why can we not have a stadium where you can get the same feeling of pride walking into it as you do when going into Croke Park and its only up the road.

Because we can't afford it.

Because it will be crippling to maintain.

Because Belfast simply doesn't need that sized stadium.

[trileacman]

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

I for one would not even contribute the steam off my piss.
If it goes ahead as planned, its hanging a massive millstone around the neck of the Ulster Council (UC) for decades, and that will have real connotations for UC coaching development etc.


When the ongoing maintenance costs of the ivory towers becomes clear in due course, the level of stupidity in calling for this stadium as currently designed will also become crystal clear.



I'd much rather put my money into any club looking to make a second pitch or changing rooms - something of far more benefit.

Unreal.....can you not see past the nose on your face, future generations should have this stadium.
The great days of going to Clones on Ulster final day are a thing of the past, and live only in our heads.
Why can we not have a stadium where you can get the same feeling of pride walking into it as you do when going into Croke Park and its only up the road.

I don't understand how anyone can think this new stadium is just gonna magically fall out of the money tree. It will consume millions of the GAA's revenue for years to come. That means less coaches for underage teams, increased ticket prices, fewer development grants for clubs, dilapidated county grounds because there's no money to repair or replace them.

A 250 mil Casement is a financial millstone that will weigh around the neck of every club in Ulster for years and years and years. And the only f**king reason you and illdecide can come up with for building it is "to stick it to the f**king Prods".

[Hereiam]

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

I for one would not even contribute the steam off my piss.
If it goes ahead as planned, its hanging a massive millstone around the neck of the Ulster Council (UC) for decades, and that will have real connotations for UC coaching development etc.


When the ongoing maintenance costs of the ivory towers becomes clear in due course, the level of stupidity in calling for this stadium as currently designed will also become crystal clear.



I'd much rather put my money into any club looking to make a second pitch or changing rooms - something of far more benefit.

Unreal.....can you not see past the nose on your face, future generations should have this stadium.
The great days of going to Clones on Ulster final day are a thing of the past, and live only in our heads.
Why can we not have a stadium where you can get the same feeling of pride walking into it as you do when going into Croke Park and its only up the road.

I don't understand how anyone can think this new stadium is just gonna magically fall out of the money tree. It will consume millions of the GAA's revenue for years to come. That means less coaches for underage teams, increased ticket prices, fewer development grants for clubs, dilapidated county grounds because there's no money to repair or replace them.

A 250 mil Casement is a financial millstone that will weigh around the neck of every club in Ulster for years and years and years. And the only f**king reason you and illdecide can come up with for building it is "to stick it to the f**king Prods".

LOL away and catch yourself on.

[trileacman]

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

I for one would not even contribute the steam off my piss.
If it goes ahead as planned, its hanging a massive millstone around the neck of the Ulster Council (UC) for decades, and that will have real connotations for UC coaching development etc.


When the ongoing maintenance costs of the ivory towers becomes clear in due course, the level of stupidity in calling for this stadium as currently designed will also become crystal clear.



I'd much rather put my money into any club looking to make a second pitch or changing rooms - something of far more benefit.

Unreal.....can you not see past the nose on your face, future generations should have this stadium.
The great days of going to Clones on Ulster final day are a thing of the past, and live only in our heads.
Why can we not have a stadium where you can get the same feeling of pride walking into it as you do when going into Croke Park and its only up the road.

I don't understand how anyone can think this new stadium is just gonna magically fall out of the money tree. It will consume millions of the GAA's revenue for years to come. That means less coaches for underage teams, increased ticket prices, fewer development grants for clubs, dilapidated county grounds because there's no money to repair or replace them.

A 250 mil Casement is a financial millstone that will weigh around the neck of every club in Ulster for years and years and years. And the only f**king reason you and illdecide can come up with for building it is "to stick it to the f**king Prods".

LOL away and catch yourself on.

You'll be happy enough when Ulster GAA send your club a bill for 180,000?

[clarshack]

Completely agree, get it built if GAA members were asked to contribute £1 each to make up the short fall I'm sure they would do it in a heart beat. The GAA community in the north need this stadium and they needed it yesterday.

I for one would not even contribute the steam off my piss.
If it goes ahead as planned, its hanging a massive millstone around the neck of the Ulster Council (UC) for decades, and that will have real connotations for UC coaching development etc.


When the ongoing maintenance costs of the ivory towers becomes clear in due course, the level of stupidity in calling for this stadium as currently designed will also become crystal clear.



I'd much rather put my money into any club looking to make a second pitch or changing rooms - something of far more benefit.

Unreal.....can you not see past the nose on your face, future generations should have this stadium.
The great days of going to Clones on Ulster final day are a thing of the past, and live only in our heads.
Why can we not have a stadium where you can get the same feeling of pride walking into it as you do when going into Croke Park and its only up the road.

I don't understand how anyone can think this new stadium is just gonna magically fall out of the money tree. It will consume millions of the GAA's revenue for years to come. That means less coaches for underage teams, increased ticket prices, fewer development grants for clubs, dilapidated county grounds because there's no money to repair or replace them.

A 250 mil Casement is a financial millstone that will weigh around the neck of every club in Ulster for years and years and years. And the only f**king reason you and illdecide can come up with for building it is "to stick it to the f**king Prods".

Nailed it.