All Ireland Championship 2025.

[clonian]

Group 1 - Armagh/Donegal  Galway,Mayo  Tyrone  Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry/Clare  Louth,Meath  Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Meath/Louth  Clare,Kerry  Monaghan  Down
Group 4 - Galway,Mayo  Armagh,Donegal  Dublin  Derry

Is it 1st in the group goes directly to quarters and 2&3 go to a preliminary quarter?

[snoopdog]

From a Monaghan perspective, will take that

From a Down perspective I'm happy enough also. All teams will fancy their chances.

[tyrone08]

Armagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.

Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?

There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.

There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).

Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.

[twohands!!!]

Armagh potentially could have Tyrone, then Doengal and then Tyrone again.

Donegal will have had Derry, Monaghan, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo/Galway and Cavan to get to same stage as Kerry. Bit of a joke.

Kerry have Cork, Clare then Roscommon. Some difference there.

Kerry won't be well tested by the time it reaches knockout, could bite them in the arse.

Every year when the draw happens it becomes clearer and clearer how the Ulster counties absolutely screwed themselves by not voting to break the link between the provincials and the All-Ireland Series.
The thing was the Ulster counties are always going to have a harder route to the All-Ireland until that link is broken. The provincial councils are likely going to do all in their not insignifcant power to keep that link at all costs for the forseeable future. Looking back it's actually a bit amazing that the option to break the link was even put to a vote.

[Blowitupref]

Group 1 - Armagh/Donegal  Galway,Mayo  Tyrone  Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry/Clare  Louth,Meath  Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Meath/Louth  Clare,Kerry  Monaghan  Down
Group 4 - Galway,Mayo  Armagh,Donegal  Dublin  Derry

Is it 1st in the group goes directly to quarters and 2&3 go to a preliminary quarter?

Yes

[Captain Obvious]

Every time seems to be the hardest possible group for Armagh.

[cavanmaniac]

That draw is a great opportunity for Cavan to get their arses handed to them three times and finally concentrate some minds in the county about going back to basics and building from the bottom up at underage. A possible win or two against weaker teams would only be papering over the cracks for another year or two. Rock bottom might actually prove a blessing!

[93-DY-SAM]

Group 1 - Armagh/Donegal  Galway,Mayo  Tyrone  Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry/Clare  Louth,Meath  Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Meath/Louth  Clare,Kerry  Monaghan  Down
Group 4 - Galway,Mayo  Armagh,Donegal  Dublin  Derry

Is it 1st in the group goes directly to quarters and 2&3 go to a preliminary quarter?

Yup - that's it.

[An Watcher]

Don't think armagh should be complaining about draws considering they seem to be getting handy ulster draws every year.

[Keyser soze]

Armagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.

Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?

That's arrant nonsense, how could it be better going into a group as provincial losers to take on Connacht provincial winners, Dublin and Derry than playing as Ulster winners against Connacht losers, Tyrone and Cavan .

[bennydorano]

Kerry c***ts are haunted

[tyrone08]

Armagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.

Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?

That's arrant nonsense, how could it be better going into a group as provincial losers to take on Connacht provincial winners, Dublin and Derry than playing as Ulster winners against Connacht losers, Tyrone and Cavan .

Just my opinion but with the way Dublin and Derry are I would far rather have games against them than the other option.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Armagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.

Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?

There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.

There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).

Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.

How is there a clear benefit to being in group 4 by losing Ulster?

It's by far the toughest group?

And how do Kerry keep getting these soft draws

[omagh_gael]

Kerry going to be coming into the knockout stages seriously undercooked though with the soft draw. Definitely think that hindered them when it came to the Armagh game last year.

[tyrone08]

Armagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.

Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?

At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin or Derry isnt the toughest.

There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.

There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).

Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.

How is there a clear benefit to being in group 4 by losing Ulster?

It's by far the toughest group?

And how do Kerry keep getting these soft draws

At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin and Derry wouldnt be the toughest based on recent performances. Therefore their hardest game would be against Mayo/Galway.

In group 1 they will still face either Mayo/Galway and an improving Tyrone team who ran Armagh very close. 2 more difficult games in my opinion