Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

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Wildweasel74

How many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 01:09:08 AMHow many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 16, 2025, 08:21:58 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 01:09:08 AMHow many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 16, 2025, 08:21:58 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 01:09:08 AMHow many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch

but when you look at it with just 1 pt and 3 for the goal youre getting 3 times the points for going for goal, with the 4 pt goal its only twice so again its not as big an encouragement. I just dont think the 2 point adds anything, it just makes score lines bigger. if we binned the 2pter we def would see more goals. we seen more goals in the league because of the pitches and conditions, the weather being good with harder pitches makes 2pts far far easier. too easy really

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 16, 2025, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 16, 2025, 08:21:58 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 01:09:08 AMHow many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch

but when you look at it with just 1 pt and 3 for the goal youre getting 3 times the points for going for goal, with the 4 pt goal its only twice so again its not as big an encouragement. I just dont think the 2 point adds anything, it just makes score lines bigger. if we binned the 2pter we def would see more goals. we seen more goals in the league because of the pitches and conditions, the weather being good with harder pitches makes 2pts far far easier. too easy really

Maybe, But they'll tot up the stats I'd assume over the year and hopefully see if there is merit in keeping some aspects of the new rules.. The dissent one is good though, few others are helpful, the changing of the black card for those entering a melee, they are only allowed to clear their own player out of it, and any other interference is seen as a black card, hold a player up also in the tackle is now seen as a black card, that one will be difficult as there are usually multiple players doing that..

Not fussed on the handing back the ball, its tough, no problem with impeding a player when trying to take a quick free, that's just stupid, there will be impossible positions a player will find himself in that may look like it but it has to be intentional and totally avoidable.

Kickout rule is fine, teams just have to adopt and find players that can compete and those that can win the dirty ball, still too many rules too quickly, and some rules impossible to do at club level
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

trueblue1234

2 pointer should go. No massive issue with the rest. But the 2 points has not added anything.
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Saffron_sam20

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 16, 2025, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 16, 2025, 08:21:58 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 01:09:08 AMHow many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch

but when you look at it with just 1 pt and 3 for the goal youre getting 3 times the points for going for goal, with the 4 pt goal its only twice so again its not as big an encouragement. I just dont think the 2 point adds anything, it just makes score lines bigger. if we binned the 2pter we def would see more goals. we seen more goals in the league because of the pitches and conditions, the weather being good with harder pitches makes 2pts far far easier. too easy really

Maybe, But they'll tot up the stats I'd assume over the year and hopefully see if there is merit in keeping some aspects of the new rules.. The dissent one is good though, few others are helpful, the changing of the black card for those entering a melee, they are only allowed to clear their own player out of it, and any other interference is seen as a black card, hold a player up also in the tackle is now seen as a black card, that one will be difficult as there are usually multiple players doing that..

Not fussed on the handing back the ball, its tough, no problem with impeding a player when trying to take a quick free, that's just stupid, there will be impossible positions a player will find himself in that may look like it but it has to be intentional and totally avoidable.

Kickout rule is fine, teams just have to adopt and find players that can compete and those that can win the dirty ball, still too many rules too quickly, and some rules impossible to do at club level

yeah youre prob right they will, hopefully they take it as a complete over all and take club games into consideration too as they clearly didnt when bringing the rules in.

think we could keep the 3v3, solo and go and wed have a cracking game. il hold my hand ups and say I wasnt in favour of any of the rules but these 2 have really opened the game and sped it up. I think the sickout one is unfair and harsh at club level, teams should be able to take a short kick to try and maybe take pressure off when conceding scores. 

Rossfan

Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 16, 2025, 09:32:42 AM2 pointer should go. No massive issue with the rest. But the 2 points has not added anything.
Agree with you for once :o  ;D
The scoring system was never a problem.

Once the 4 point goal went the 2 pointer should have gone as well.

I presume there will be no more tweaks until the Special Congress says yes or no to the current "enhancements"?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
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flowerpot

The arch should go completely, keepers should be able to do short kick outs, if the opposition don't want them to do that they press up, all we are getting is hoofs down to the side or middle and balls spilling, brings nothing to the game.  There is no skill with 4 or 5 lads jumping for the same ball all similar size and build.

thewobbler

Quote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 11:15:59 AMThe arch should go completely, keepers should be able to do short kick outs, if the opposition don't want them to do that they press up, all we are getting is hoofs down to the side or middle and balls spilling, brings nothing to the game.  There is no skill with 4 or 5 lads jumping for the same ball all similar size and build.

Skill?

The thing is, there is infinitely more skill in "4 or 5 lads jumping for the same ball", than there is in kicking or receiving uncontested 13m kickouts.

Basketball is one of the most repetitive and boring sports ever devised. We were most of the way down that tunnel. Thank f**k we've turned around.

flowerpot

There is very little skill when it is more often than not spilled, there is more skill in in my opinion with a team working the ball up and the opposition trying to stop it than 4 or 5 lads crashing into each other spilling a ball. Before the mass defence there were defined positions, a long ball was usually competed for by midfielders now its just a mass of bodies crashing into one another.

Fr. Cyril McDuff

I don't understand why we need a £6000 hooter for club games or lower division league games. Surely ref can blow the final whistle which indicates last play? He/she then blows again when ball goes out of play for end of match. It's not rocket science.
Was at an underage game last night, away team had a close in free and one of the their mentors let a roar out of him - 'that's a f**king black card'(which it should have been, and I'm 90% sure the ref was about to produce a black). Ref promptly put his cards back in his pocket and marched to the other end and gave the home team a 13m free. That put an end to the mouthing. Pretty funny too.

flowerpot

Bet the ref walked off the field with the chest pumped out!

JoG2

Quote from: thewobbler on April 16, 2025, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 11:15:59 AMThe arch should go completely, keepers should be able to do short kick outs, if the opposition don't want them to do that they press up, all we are getting is hoofs down to the side or middle and balls spilling, brings nothing to the game.  There is no skill with 4 or 5 lads jumping for the same ball all similar size and build.

Skill?

The thing is, there is infinitely more skill in "4 or 5 lads jumping for the same ball", than there is in kicking or receiving uncontested 13m kickouts.

Basketball is one of the most repetitive and boring sports ever devised. We were most of the way down that tunnel. Thank f**k we've turned around.

The only time kickouts will not be  contested if a team drops off for parts of a game (as we've seen this year with the longer kick out) . Without the keeper in open play, it won't be like pre '25...you still have to work to get the shorter kickout. And, if you get turned over, it's a v short
distance to the goals = excitement

Dropping the large arc to revert to the old kickouts and removing the 2 pointer is probably the only two rules I'd change which won't impact the game negatively imo. Definitely enjoying the football much more this year

JoG2

Quote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 11:32:56 AMBet the ref walked off the field with the chest pumped out!

Gone do the refs courses and show them how it's done sure... Dose