NFL Division 1 2025

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Only Mayo and Donegal had beat Dubljn in that period, Kerry and Tyrone won all-Irelands cause Mayo knocked Dublin out, you should be thankful for them.

Agree 100% not a hope Tyrone would have beaten Dublin in the 2021 All Ireland if Mayo hadn't have beaten them.

As for 2014 Donegal beat them. That was a poor Kerry team that won that All Ireland.

Donegal probably still would have beaten Dublin in 2012 final. They beat Kerry and All Ireland favorites Cork that year.

[AustinPowers]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

[SaffronSports]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

Just seem to remember Mayo having a lot of ball but Tyrone counters won the game

[Truthsayer]

Only Mayo and Donegal had beat Dublin in that period, Kerry and Tyrone won all-Irelands cause Mayo knocked Dublin out, you should be thankful for them.

Apparently that's engraved on the Sam Maguire Cup after the winners names for those years   

[imtommygunn]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.

I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...

[statto]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

Not a meltdown as such but missing the penalty at 2 points down would have been a huge momentum swinger. 

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

For me watching it from about 20 minutes in it was clear Tyrone had the belief and mayo didn't. Tyrone had 3 points from the fb line (from play) and I am not sure you would even have got that from the mayo ff line. It wasn't any incident that caused a meltdown or how the game panned out - they just didn't appear to have it and Tyrone did which probably made it worst as the game went on. The best team won.

I always thought with mayo the 5 in a row might not have happened had they got Dublin earlier and in 2021 I think there was a good chance had they played Tyrone earlier they might have won too but it's just finals...

Was 2021 Mayos most resounding defeat in a final since 06?

And it was by far the weakest team they played.

Donegal in 2012 whilst not as good as Dublin 5 in a row were a very good side.

That Dublin team just brought the best out in Mayo.

[Manning18]

Mayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?

Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.

Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.

They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.

Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.

 

It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019

There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.

Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time

[twohands!!!]

Mayo..god that has to be a bit dispiriting for them I'd say? Or was Sligo game in forefront of minds too much?

Mayo are no longer the circa 2011-2017 team. They fell into this final trying to avoid relegation. The focus is on the Championship in 7 days you'd imagine.

Was the team of 2011-2017 that hectic either.

They could compete with the dubs when no one else could but they had some questionable results in them years too.

Ah now, they took the best team of all to extra time and replays in their own patch. When nobody else was getting close. They'll always be put down for not sealing the deal, but you could not fault their determination in always coming back. Them Championships would have been a worse place without them.

 

It's just patently untrue to say nobody else was getting close. Kerry were level with them going into injury time in both 2013 and 2016, and ahead of them going in injury time in 2019

There seems to be an automatic assumption that Mayo were the second best team of that period for playing Dublin close in 3 games that Dublin ultimately won. People forget getting dumped out of Connacht 3 times in a row, draws against Roscommon, Derry and Cork (latter two were a shambles back then) and a dive to beat Fermanagh at home. There was also a couple of hidings by Dublin in there in 2015 and later on in 2019.

Kerry actually won an All Ireland in that period, played Dublin close a similar number of times while never receiving a 2019 style hiding, always walked their province and regularly put 15 points on the type of teams Mayo were drawing with. Basically every year in that period Kerry went into the All Ireland race as 4/1 shots while Mayo were 8/1+, which tells you how the two teams were ranked at that time

Yeah there definitely seems to be an element of writing Kerry off in this time period - I'd say if you asked the Dubs players at the time both counties would be very even in terms of the level of competition provided and I'd be surprised if the Dublin players didn't rank their wins over Kerry that smidge higher given the historical record.

[ClubScene13]

Re: the 2021 final.  I'm not just saying it now , but I was certain beforehand Tyrone would  win it. Moreso than Mayo  losing it.

I don't think  Mayo had any  sort of meltdown that  day, did they?  Not that I recall anyway . Tyrone just seemed  to get the big scores at the right time

100% AP, everyone I spoke to within the county was the same too, absolute confidence after beating Kerry. Now that semi final, I was not confident at all, but one game can change everything

[Truthsayer]

Does seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again 

[Captain Obvious]

Does seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again 

Tyrone would be stuck on zero Senior All Ireland titles but for the great and ground work of Saint Mickey Harte. A bronze or marble sculpture of him outside the Garvaghey Centre is well merited at this stage.

[Truthsayer]

Does seem more than coincidence that Tyrone's 4 All Ireland wins were diminished by commentators... '03 puke football... '05 won't win an All Ireland without Canavan... '08 to decide 'team of the decade' afterwards no word of 'team of the decade'.. '21 Covid All Ireland despite '20 final in an empty stadium in December!
Tyrone weren't far away by '21.. in final in '18 and in a few semi-finals.. new management let them off the lease long kickout for goal, long high ball in for goal.. McKenna also a huge factor. Well merited again 

Tyrone would be stuck on zero Senior All Ireland titles but for the great and ground work of Saint Mickey Harte. A bronze or marble sculpture of him outside the Garvaghey Centre is well merited at this stage.

And Peter Canavan and Sean Cavanagh and Conor Gormley and Owen Mulligan and Paudie Hampsey and Niall Morgan and Conor McKenna... try harder..

[Captain Obvious]

Truthsayer unable to handle the truth.

[Truthsayer]

Truthsayer unable to handle the truth.

From the county carried to 2 Sams by Geezer: even had an airplane protest to get red of him..      
How's that for truth! 🤓