Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[jay110]

what if when they are picking the all stars and yapping goes in corner forward, what team does yap go into. Hed prob have yapped alot against the yappers of tyrone but what team is he from. Will they add  up all the Yaps and divide  by yap??

Id say without a doubt they will be in the team but it just depends if the average yaps exceeds the amount of yapping the tyrone yappers yap.

[Milltown Row2]

At this point I think we need to split yap, winning way too much yapping lately

[trueblue1234]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you 

Well obviously, but if a player gets a totally incorrect call given, it's natural to say "aw ref he pulled my arm" or "ref what was that for?" Without screaming abuse or effing and blinding at the ref. Harsh to get a free moved 50m and concede a handy 2 pointer for that.

Doubt many would be complaining if refs moved frees up and carded people who screamed abuse.

Players aren't independent. So their view are subjective. If you allow a little, the line will always get pushed as players try to find boundaries. If they know they can't say anything, they'll soon get used to it.

Are you saying that players shouldn't be able to question a decision at all? Heard a few people say thisand I don't understand it. The ref will never overturn his decision (unless another official has a word) but it would still be good for players to know what the thought process was

I'd say they can ask what foul was for but not to question that decision. As mentioned, most refs will signal or say what foul is for. If not, I don't think there would be an issue with asking what it was for, as long as done in a respectful way. But if followed up with the usual "no way ref" or "ffs ref, never a free" then you'll be open to punishment.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you 

Well obviously, but if a player gets a totally incorrect call given, it's natural to say "aw ref he pulled my arm" or "ref what was that for?" Without screaming abuse or effing and blinding at the ref. Harsh to get a free moved 50m and concede a handy 2 pointer for that.

Doubt many would be complaining if refs moved frees up and carded people who screamed abuse.

Players aren't independent. So their view are subjective. If you allow a little, the line will always get pushed as players try to find boundaries. If they know they can't say anything, they'll soon get used to it.

Are you saying that players shouldn't be able to question a decision at all? Heard a few people say thisand I don't understand it. The ref will never overturn his decision (unless another official has a word) but it would still be good for players to know what the thought process was

I'd say they can ask what foul was for but not to question that decision. As mentioned, most refs will signal or say what foul is for. If not, I don't think there would be an issue with asking what it was for, as long as done in a respectful way. But if followed up with the usual "no way ref" or "ffs ref, never a free" then you'll be open to punishment.

Is that punishment the same for doing it on the opposition's 65 as it is on your own 13m line?
Because one sees a nothing free way out the field turned into a very scoreable one and the other sees a blind man's gimme remain a blind man's gimme.
If I were to have reason to criticise the referee's performance, I know what I would be saving it for.

[Milltown Row2]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you 

Well obviously, but if a player gets a totally incorrect call given, it's natural to say "aw ref he pulled my arm" or "ref what was that for?" Without screaming abuse or effing and blinding at the ref. Harsh to get a free moved 50m and concede a handy 2 pointer for that.

Doubt many would be complaining if refs moved frees up and carded people who screamed abuse.

Players aren't independent. So their view are subjective. If you allow a little, the line will always get pushed as players try to find boundaries. If they know they can't say anything, they'll soon get used to it.

Are you saying that players shouldn't be able to question a decision at all? Heard a few people say thisand I don't understand it. The ref will never overturn his decision (unless another official has a word) but it would still be good for players to know what the thought process was

I'd say they can ask what foul was for but not to question that decision. As mentioned, most refs will signal or say what foul is for. If not, I don't think there would be an issue with asking what it was for, as long as done in a respectful way. But if followed up with the usual "no way ref" or "ffs ref, never a free" then you'll be open to punishment.

Is that punishment the same for doing it on the opposition's 65 as it is on your own 13m line?
Because one sees a nothing free way out the field turned into a very scoreable one and the other sees a blind man's gimme remain a blind man's gimme.
If I were to have reason to criticise the referee's performance, I know what I would be saving it for.

For obviously getting things wrong? As would any supporter

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

People don't criticise referees for getting things wrong. They criticise them for not giving them their way. As you should know.
If anyone is to choose when to do that, it will be when the referee can do the least about it.

It's a question the referees need to be asking the rule makers - how are you protecting us from having our decisions criticised when it's already a handy free?

[Armagh18]

Yellow/black cards

[trueblue1234]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you 

Well obviously, but if a player gets a totally incorrect call given, it's natural to say "aw ref he pulled my arm" or "ref what was that for?" Without screaming abuse or effing and blinding at the ref. Harsh to get a free moved 50m and concede a handy 2 pointer for that.

Doubt many would be complaining if refs moved frees up and carded people who screamed abuse.

Players aren't independent. So their view are subjective. If you allow a little, the line will always get pushed as players try to find boundaries. If they know they can't say anything, they'll soon get used to it.

Are you saying that players shouldn't be able to question a decision at all? Heard a few people say thisand I don't understand it. The ref will never overturn his decision (unless another official has a word) but it would still be good for players to know what the thought process was

I'd say they can ask what foul was for but not to question that decision. As mentioned, most refs will signal or say what foul is for. If not, I don't think there would be an issue with asking what it was for, as long as done in a respectful way. But if followed up with the usual "no way ref" or "ffs ref, never a free" then you'll be open to punishment.

Is that punishment the same for doing it on the opposition's 65 as it is on your own 13m line?
Because one sees a nothing free way out the field turned into a very scoreable one and the other sees a blind man's gimme remain a blind man's gimme.
If I were to have reason to criticise the referee's performance, I know what I would be saving it for.

That's a Fair point. To follow in the nature of the rule changes Let's give 2 points to any frees within the 50. 3 if  against the wind.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Yellow/black cards

That's possible but it needs to be a rule that's nailed down, rather than left to the referee.
As far as I'm seeing, punishment for dissent is just moving the ball forward. When does the ref decide that's not enough? 35, 25 15m?

Our rulebook has been too vague and many things should be rewritten. The least we can do is have the new rules tight.

[ONeill]

What's the ruling on giving the ref a dirty look or giving them the fingers?

Can you mime a yap and get away with it?

[Milltown Row2]

Yellow/black cards

That's possible but it needs to be a rule that's nailed down, rather than left to the referee.
As far as I'm seeing, punishment for dissent is just moving the ball forward. When does the ref decide that's not enough? 35, 25 15m?

Our rulebook has been too vague and many things should be rewritten. The least we can do is have the new rules tight.

The wording has always been up for debate but yellow cards and black cards are not used enough to stamp out or differentiate from what is normal annoyance from a free given against you, and completely taking the piss and abusing you.

It's when you put yourself in that position rather than from the sidelines on pitch or behind the fence that you can then make judgements on how you would decide what is being said, tonality and intent before making that call..

Some ref's are more or less tolerant

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

We aren't talking about players abusing referees.
We are talking about players complaining about decisions out the field being punished severely and players complaining about 13m frees not being punished at all (because it can't be moved any further).

[Milltown Row2]

We aren't talking about players abusing referees.
We are talking about players complaining about decisions out the field being punished severely and players complaining about 13m frees not being punished at all.

So what are you looking?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Referee's decisions not to be questioned anywhere on the field.

"Complaining about an awarded free within the arc is a penalty. Complaining about a penalty is a black card."

Would sort it I guess.

[Milltown Row2]

Referee's decisions not to be questioned anywhere on the field.

"Complaining about an awarded free within the arc is a penalty. Complaining about a penalty is a black card."

Would sort it I guess.

That's comparable i suppose with the difference of a 2 pointer from moving a ball from midfield to the 40