Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Armagh18]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

[JoG2]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you

[tbrick18]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you

This is the one rule they brought in that I don't actually mind.
However, the part where only a team captain can speak to the ref is unfair. Works in rugby as the players are generally all in the same part of the pitch and a refereeing decision for say a scrum, results in some time required to set up that scrum giving the captain an opportunity to speak to the ref. Football is different. Say the captain is the GK and the foul is against the FF at the other end of the pitch then the captain doesnt have the chance to ask the ref what the decision was for. Even with solo and go, the captain wouldn't get the chance to speak to the ref.

If only they had trialled these rules in a pre-season competition and then adjusted for the league.

[thewobbler]

TBrick, 2 things.

One is that I think you're taking the "only the captain can talk" thing a little too literally. Referees are human and most of them will happily explain / chat with anyone in a reasonable manner.

I think you would be better considering the rulee more along the lines of "only the captain can protest".

Which brings me onto the second point. If you really feel a team needs the ability to protest the referee in all 4 corners of the field, then you're not getting on board with this concept at all. Those who feel it's a natural thing to roar expletives as a man making 50:50 decisions, are the ones being brought to bear here. And it has to be done. Because how we currently treat officials is parasitical.

[JoG2]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you

This is the one rule they brought in that I don't actually mind.
However, the part where only a team captain can speak to the ref is unfair. Works in rugby as the players are generally all in the same part of the pitch and a refereeing decision for say a scrum, results in some time required to set up that scrum giving the captain an opportunity to speak to the ref. Football is different. Say the captain is the GK and the foul is against the FF at the other end of the pitch then the captain doesnt have the chance to ask the ref what the decision was for. Even with solo and go, the captain wouldn't get the chance to speak to the ref.

If only they had trialled these rules in a pre-season competition and then adjusted for the league.

Any player can speak to the ref tbrick, in a civilised manner. Captain / spokesperson can question decisions, again in a civilised manner

[Rossfan]

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[thebigfullforward]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Giving out, is this not what certain rules are trying to stop ? A change in culture, stopping refs being abused, as has been happening for decades? Players will soon learn, be respectful with all communications to the ref. It'll take time for certain players / sidelines to zip it, verbally abusing the ref is just something they've always done, not anymore

I'm just thinking of the Errigal Killyclogher semi final where the ref gave a penalty for what looked like nothing. Still not sure what it was given for. Players are inevitably ask questions/complain. I'm not talking about full on abuse. I know there's some refs that would take things the wrong way and in the heat of the moment would give a black card

Take things the wrong way? 'you're one useless cnut', 'a f**king r3tard'.. Blah blah blah... This is what ref's are currently getting. That's a black, rarely given.
Refs can be questioned, they can't be screamed at and called every useless so and so under the sun

That's why I said I'm not talking about full on abuse

[johnnycool]

All eyes on Kilkenny club football .....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41564533.html

31 club football teams and you lads say they don't promote football!

[Armagh18]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you 

Well obviously, but if a player gets a totally incorrect call given, it's natural to say "aw ref he pulled my arm" or "ref what was that for?" Without screaming abuse or effing and blinding at the ref. Harsh to get a free moved 50m and concede a handy 2 pointer for that.

Doubt many would be complaining if refs moved frees up and carded people who screamed abuse.

[trueblue1234]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you 

Well obviously, but if a player gets a totally incorrect call given, it's natural to say "aw ref he pulled my arm" or "ref what was that for?" Without screaming abuse or effing and blinding at the ref. Harsh to get a free moved 50m and concede a handy 2 pointer for that.

Doubt many would be complaining if refs moved frees up and carded people who screamed abuse.

Players aren't independent. So their view are subjective. If you allow a little, the line will always get pushed as players try to find boundaries. If they know they can't say anything, they'll soon get used to it.

[Taylor]

Having been to a few challenge games the penalty for players mouthing is working perfectly.

The referees job will in time (once the rules are embedded) be a much more pleasant job and hopefully we see the volume of refs increase across the country

[Armagh18]

What is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?

50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref

What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times

Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Is surely, but even if the player is right, I'm yet to see a ref change is mind after being given out to.

It's not harsh. What is harsh is for players to be constantly screaming at someone trying to ref a game of football.
The days of players and management verbally abusing a ref all game will hopefully be in the rear view mirror.. This is a good thing unless you've a real want in you 

Well obviously, but if a player gets a totally incorrect call given, it's natural to say "aw ref he pulled my arm" or "ref what was that for?" Without screaming abuse or effing and blinding at the ref. Harsh to get a free moved 50m and concede a handy 2 pointer for that.

Doubt many would be complaining if refs moved frees up and carded people who screamed abuse.

Players aren't independent. So their view are subjective. If you allow a little, the line will always get pushed as players try to find boundaries. If they know they can't say anything, they'll soon get used to it.

Yeah fair enough, will take some getting used to though but be good in the long run. Think refs need to be clearer and communicate better with players though about why a call was made, obviously some do this very well but some don't. 

[Milltown Row2]

When the ref blows his whistle, he'll either tell what's it's for or make an action of either tugged jersey, a push, too many steps, pulled arm depending on the foul..

Players don't need chapter and verse on it, how would the players or managers react it the ref ridicules their shots, or passes, or tactics during the game? While I may have those thoughts in the game I never say it. Not sure why it's any different.

[ONeill]

Wonder if it will be possible to yap a ball over the bar. Like, yap her up to the 13. Then another boy yaps and the ref says any more yapping and it's yapped over the bar. Then someone yaps, and the ref yaps her over the bar. Another yap and it's a penalty, and if that's followed by another yap it's yapped into the net. Then the Irish News can say Turbitt 0-4, Campbell 0-4, Yapping 1-1. They'd have to define yapping though.

[Magpie22]

Hello rian welcome to the board!!