Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[didlyi]

I wonder how long it is before the hurling side of the house start talking about adopting the rules on dissent.

It was a minor shock to see how much more general messing and pointless foolishness went on in the Galway Tipperary game compared to any of the football games.

It really highlighted how "harsh" punishments can immediately remove problem areas from the game.

I'll be gobsmacked if there isn't a hurling review committee in place by the end of the year.

It doesnt need a review comittee to implement a rule like this. If it works for football then Im sure it will work for hurling. If were going to have a hurling review then lets look at the more glaring problems like throwing and steps.

[Milltown Row2]

I wonder how long it is before the hurling side of the house start talking about adopting the rules on dissent.

It was a minor shock to see how much more general messing and pointless foolishness went on in the Galway Tipperary game compared to any of the football games.

It really highlighted how "harsh" punishments can immediately remove problem areas from the game.

I'll be gobsmacked if there isn't a hurling review committee in place by the end of the year.

It doesnt need a review comittee to implement a rule like this. If it works for football then Im sure it will work for hurling. If were going to have a hurling review then lets look at the more glaring problems like throwing and steps.

Steps are the same in football and no change was brought up, its up to us (ref's) to be more stringent on the steps, a few scores yesterday were way over the required steps. I'd be generous with steps and admit that but only when they are breaking a tackle or have been slightly impeded.

As for the throw ball its hard (cue F) I'll call it when I see it and no doubt I'll get chapter and verse on the rules but 99% of the refs will do the same, change the ruling on it and it may become easier to manage

[johnnycool]

I wonder how long it is before the hurling side of the house start talking about adopting the rules on dissent.

It was a minor shock to see how much more general messing and pointless foolishness went on in the Galway Tipperary game compared to any of the football games.

It really highlighted how "harsh" punishments can immediately remove problem areas from the game.

I'll be gobsmacked if there isn't a hurling review committee in place by the end of the year.

It doesnt need a review comittee to implement a rule like this. If it works for football then Im sure it will work for hurling. If were going to have a hurling review then lets look at the more glaring problems like throwing and steps.

And spare arm tackling and players fouling the ball when taking frees.

[thebigfullforward]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

Why are people so against goalkeepers being more skilfull? Do you guys also hate the likes of Lee Keegan getting forward and scoring in big games? It's the nature of sports. Players develop over time. 20 years ago how many keepers were capable of setting up goals like Reape and Morgan did at the weekend? It's up to the opposition team to find a counter to it like Donegal did against Derry and Roscommon did against Down. It's a risk reward game.

[clonian]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

Why are people so against goalkeepers being more skilfull? Do you guys also hate the likes of Lee Keegan getting forward and scoring in big games? It's the nature of sports. Players develop over time. 20 years ago how many keepers were capable of setting up goals like Reape and Morgan did at the weekend? It's up to the opposition team to find a counter to it like Donegal did against Derry and Roscommon did against Down. It's a risk reward game.

The point of the rule changes were to stop the keep ball that we've seen over the last couple of years. By letting the keeper be a spare man you've just created the same problem further up the pitch.
I think you'll see more of what happened to the Down keeper yesterday over the league. Teams will learnt to move the ball kicker on turnovers. The Down keeper wasn't at fault either to be fair to him and the goal was well taken. Even most county forwards may not of had a pop at that.

[DubsforSam]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

Maybe if teams pushed up and didn't retreat into the 40m zone then the keeper doesn't become such a threat.

[thewobbler]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

Maybe if teams pushed up and didn't retreat into the 40m zone then the keeper doesn't become such a threat.

The issue here isn't the rule so much as the culture within GAA management teams for convoluting things, and for pushing the rulebook to create perceived advantages, whether they exist or not, instead of setting a context for sport.

By accident rather than design, Armagh ended up with a goalkeeper rather than a midfielder in goals for 2024.

The effect? Less emphasis on "trick plays" and more emphasis on playing your own position.

So instead of Ethan Rafferty finding space and running between the lines, the likes of Conaty and Grimley did this role instead.

The outcome? Well Armagh won an AI conceding a goal every 5 games or so. Blaine became the third no.1 in a row to win an AI without ever crossing out of his own 45.

The knock on effect? Negligible it seems. The media continue convincing themselves that Niall Morgan is the MVP of the country, whilst GAA management teams up and down the country are still convincing themselves they need to create Niall Morgan clones.

[Saffron_sam20]

my posts on here have all been against the rules but after the weekend my thoughts:

1v1 throw in, makes no difference so if thats what people want fine, keep it.

the 50m for not handing a ball back is complete madness, seen it in games over the weekend punishment doesnt fit the crime at all, the current rule for this was fine. common sense approach from refs to decide if a player was taking the piss etc.

3v3, most certainly not the silver bullet they think it is, if anything when you weigh up how difficult itll be to police for club games and the headaches it will cause its really not worth it. to create more space they should have reduced the game to 13 a side. if that is the thought for it.

Solo and go is decent, but I think it should maybe have to be declared. seen a few times over the weekend looked like the player had stopped to take a free then when opposition moved just took the solo and go. the rule is good but id like to see it polished up a bit.

the hooter and timing, literally nothing was wrong with what we had. again great for IC where youve plenty of officials, assume its not coming into club

[mrdeeds]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

[thebigfullforward]

Silly question maybe. If a team is chasing a goal and get on a break where a goal chance is on could the opposition team pull 1 of the 3 forwards back into their own half and concede a free instead or would the refs let play go ahead? If they give the free at worst you concede 2 points (possibly a goal but at least you had time to get the defence set) or could the attacking team just do a solo and go without the ref stopping play? Seen a few times over the weekend the play was fully stopped though

[JoG2]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

[manwithnoplan]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

[Lucifer]

Outside the arc, if the ball touches an opponent after a shot is taken then it is 1 point.

Outside the arc, if a ball strikes a post/crossbar it will be 2 points (I've never actually read this but it's blatantly obvious.)

[Milltown Row2]

Outside the arc, if the ball touches an opponent after a shot is taken then it is 1 point.

Outside the arc, if a ball strikes a post/crossbar it will be 2 points (I've never actually read this but it's blatantly obvious.)

Correct, it can even bounce over the bar and still be 2 points provided its not touched a player inside the 40arc

[JoG2]

On the two pointer if it deflects over it's one point. If kicked outside arc and goes over via crossbar is it one or two points? Heared mixed on this

What do you mean 'deflects'? If a player shoots and it brushes a player's hand or body in an attempt to block and goes over, or it's kicked, hits, the crossbar and goes over, how can it not be a 2 pointer?

If a deflection means someone gets a hit of the ball before it bounces and this takes the ball over, can only be a 1 pointer

Pitches will be lined with a new arc starting on the 20m line and extending 40m out from goal. A ball cleanly kicked from play or a free over the bar from on or outside this arc, and without touching another player on either team (it may bounce over) is worth two points. Referees will signal the score with two hands in the air and the score umpires will wave an orange flag for the two-point score. The score is allowed as long as the standing foot of the kicker is placed on or before the 40m arc. A '45' is worth one-point.

The chances of the ball going over from outside the arc with anything other than the slightest of touches / deflection is incredibly slim... Couldn't see a ref not giving the 2 points... What say the resident ref?