Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[statto]

Read Andy McEntee article in the Irish news (think yesterday's paper as I read it online) he makes really good points, a team of micd up officials will struggle to get the rules right and we are expecting club referees to get it right? and they will make mistakes, lots of them, what will make things worse at club level is that any dissent will then get the ball moved 50m, its far too excessive.

MR2 is any talk to the ref classed as 'dissent' I see refs talk to players during a game and you hear players saying after a free 'ah no you got that wrong' is that going to get the ball moved 50m?

I think that's going to be an issue too.  Some referees will apply the rules by the book and games will have the ball continually moved forward and the end goal to make the game faster is completely compromised, others will take a more common sense approach that this is new to everyone and to show some type of leniency.  Will be interesting to see what the directive from Co Boards are to the refs before the leagues start. 

[Tony Baloney]

Read Andy McEntee article in the Irish news (think yesterday's paper as I read it online) he makes really good points, a team of micd up officials will struggle to get the rules right and we are expecting club referees to get it right? and they will make mistakes, lots of them, what will make things worse at club level is that any dissent will then get the ball moved 50m, its far too excessive.

MR2 is any talk to the ref classed as 'dissent' I see refs talk to players during a game and you hear players saying after a free 'ah no you got that wrong' is that going to get the ball moved 50m?

I think that's going to be an issue too.  Some referees will apply the rules by the book and games will have the ball continually moved forward and the end goal to make the game faster is completely compromised, others will take a more common sense approach that this is new to everyone and to show some type of leniency.  Will be interesting to see what the directive from Co Boards are to the refs before the leagues start.

No ref should have to take abuse or bad language so that's clear cut - if it's "ah ref I hardly touched him" you'd expect the ref to just tell them the free is awarded and move on. If the ref overly engages with a player then it gives carte blanche to say anything. When has an appeal from a player ever overturned a refs decision?! As MR says, eventually the slobbering will stop.

[Saffron_sam20]

Read Andy McEntee article in the Irish news (think yesterday's paper as I read it online) he makes really good points, a team of micd up officials will struggle to get the rules right and we are expecting club referees to get it right? and they will make mistakes, lots of them, what will make things worse at club level is that any dissent will then get the ball moved 50m, its far too excessive.

MR2 is any talk to the ref classed as 'dissent' I see refs talk to players during a game and you hear players saying after a free 'ah no you got that wrong' is that going to get the ball moved 50m?

I think that's going to be an issue too.  Some referees will apply the rules by the book and games will have the ball continually moved forward and the end goal to make the game faster is completely compromised, others will take a more common sense approach that this is new to everyone and to show some type of leniency.  Will be interesting to see what the directive from Co Boards are to the refs before the leagues start.

No ref should have to take abuse or bad language so that's clear cut - if it's "ah ref I hardly touched him" you'd expect the ref to just tell them the free is awarded and move on. If the ref overly engages with a player then it gives carte blanche to say anything. When has an appeal from a player ever overturned a refs decision?! As MR says, eventually the slobbering will stop.

Yeah abusing a ref or cursing at him 100% no problem, but asking a ref whats that for or ahh that was never too long. it's hardly worth moving the ball 50m. if some refs let you talk to them but others just move it on regardless then thats gonna cause problems. also the handing the ball back is terrible, you should be allowed to set the ball down, just make the rule if a player is being obstructive then move it on (oh wait, we already have that rule!)

[Tony Baloney]

Read Andy McEntee article in the Irish news (think yesterday's paper as I read it online) he makes really good points, a team of micd up officials will struggle to get the rules right and we are expecting club referees to get it right? and they will make mistakes, lots of them, what will make things worse at club level is that any dissent will then get the ball moved 50m, its far too excessive.

MR2 is any talk to the ref classed as 'dissent' I see refs talk to players during a game and you hear players saying after a free 'ah no you got that wrong' is that going to get the ball moved 50m?

I think that's going to be an issue too.  Some referees will apply the rules by the book and games will have the ball continually moved forward and the end goal to make the game faster is completely compromised, others will take a more common sense approach that this is new to everyone and to show some type of leniency.  Will be interesting to see what the directive from Co Boards are to the refs before the leagues start.

No ref should have to take abuse or bad language so that's clear cut - if it's "ah ref I hardly touched him" you'd expect the ref to just tell them the free is awarded and move on. If the ref overly engages with a player then it gives carte blanche to say anything. When has an appeal from a player ever overturned a refs decision?! As MR says, eventually the slobbering will stop.

Yeah abusing a ref or cursing at him 100% no problem, but asking a ref whats that for or ahh that was never too long. it's hardly worth moving the ball 50m. if some refs let you talk to them but others just move it on regardless then thats gonna cause problems. also the handing the ball back is terrible, you should be allowed to set the ball down, just make the rule if a player is being obstructive then move it on (oh wait, we already have that rule!)

Agree with that. It will depend what form MR is in at time!

[statto]

Read Andy McEntee article in the Irish news (think yesterday's paper as I read it online) he makes really good points, a team of micd up officials will struggle to get the rules right and we are expecting club referees to get it right? and they will make mistakes, lots of them, what will make things worse at club level is that any dissent will then get the ball moved 50m, its far too excessive.

MR2 is any talk to the ref classed as 'dissent' I see refs talk to players during a game and you hear players saying after a free 'ah no you got that wrong' is that going to get the ball moved 50m?

I think that's going to be an issue too.  Some referees will apply the rules by the book and games will have the ball continually moved forward and the end goal to make the game faster is completely compromised, others will take a more common sense approach that this is new to everyone and to show some type of leniency.  Will be interesting to see what the directive from Co Boards are to the refs before the leagues start.

No ref should have to take abuse or bad language so that's clear cut - if it's "ah ref I hardly touched him" you'd expect the ref to just tell them the free is awarded and move on. If the ref overly engages with a player then it gives carte blanche to say anything. When has an appeal from a player ever overturned a refs decision?! As MR says, eventually the slobbering will stop.

Q. I am not the team captain, or the team nominated deputy, but I don't know why the referee gave a free against me – surely, I can ask them why did they make that decision?

A. If you do, you will concede a free kick, and the ball will be advanced 50m. The team captain, or a nominated deputy, are the only players on a team that can speak to the referee to seek clarification of a decision made by the referee and they can only do so during a break in play.

The above indicates no interaction at all with ref.  The man in middle needs to be respected more 100%. 

MR2 genuine question, would you have many players who communicate with you regularly in a respectful manner during the game or would it all be disrespectful? 

If a player said " Martin I got the ball there" without raised voice should that represent a 50m move up? Should Martin not be able to say " John you were holding his jersey" end of conversation. If John continues to talk by all means move the free up or is disrespectful in initial conversation move the free up certainly.  The best referre's I have found are the ones who communicate, communication is going out the window with the new rule to an extent.

[Saffron_sam20]

Read Andy McEntee article in the Irish news (think yesterday's paper as I read it online) he makes really good points, a team of micd up officials will struggle to get the rules right and we are expecting club referees to get it right? and they will make mistakes, lots of them, what will make things worse at club level is that any dissent will then get the ball moved 50m, its far too excessive.

MR2 is any talk to the ref classed as 'dissent' I see refs talk to players during a game and you hear players saying after a free 'ah no you got that wrong' is that going to get the ball moved 50m?

I think that's going to be an issue too.  Some referees will apply the rules by the book and games will have the ball continually moved forward and the end goal to make the game faster is completely compromised, others will take a more common sense approach that this is new to everyone and to show some type of leniency.  Will be interesting to see what the directive from Co Boards are to the refs before the leagues start.

No ref should have to take abuse or bad language so that's clear cut - if it's "ah ref I hardly touched him" you'd expect the ref to just tell them the free is awarded and move on. If the ref overly engages with a player then it gives carte blanche to say anything. When has an appeal from a player ever overturned a refs decision?! As MR says, eventually the slobbering will stop.

Q. I am not the team captain, or the team nominated deputy, but I don't know why the referee gave a free against me – surely, I can ask them why did they make that decision?

A. If you do, you will concede a free kick, and the ball will be advanced 50m. The team captain, or a nominated deputy, are the only players on a team that can speak to the referee to seek clarification of a decision made by the referee and they can only do so during a break in play.

The above indicates no interaction at all with ref.  The man in middle needs to be respected more 100%. 

MR2 genuine question, would you have many players who communicate with you regularly in a respectful manner during the game or would it all be disrespectful? 

If a player said " Martin I got the ball there" without raised voice should that represent a 50m move up? Should Martin not be able to say " John you were holding his jersey" end of conversation. If John continues to talk by all means move the free up or is disrespectful in initial conversation move the free up certainly.  The best referre's I have found are the ones who communicate, communication is going out the window with the new rule to an extent.

this is my point, by far the best referees do talk to players, most players know when they overstep the mark by going on about it. The best refs will tell them what it's for no bother.

[Milltown Row2]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

[Taylor]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

[Milltown Row2]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

It does, but I've a feeling most refs won't have any issues with it being set down quickly and move away from play, not sure how practical that will be as the ball could be anywhere after a free is given

[Saffron_sam20]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

It does, but I've a feeling most refs won't have any issues with it being set down quickly and move away from play, not sure how practical that will be as the ball could be anywhere after a free is given

yeah exactly, if the ball had been kicked and ref was just blowing for over carrying for example, player who received the pass 25m away has to run back to where it was kicked and hand it to the taker? just all seems very unworkable

[blewuporstuffed]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

It does, but I've a feeling most refs won't have any issues with it being set down quickly and move away from play, not sure how practical that will be as the ball could be anywhere after a free is given

Which is the way it should be IMO, but why is it not in the rules that way then? Why complicate things by making them ' hand it back'? Deliberate obstruction or slowing down the play, then absolutely move it forward but the rule as written seems OTT

[statto]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

It does, but I've a feeling most refs won't have any issues with it being set down quickly and move away from play, not sure how practical that will be as the ball could be anywhere after a free is given

yeah exactly, if the ball had been kicked and ref was just blowing for over carrying for example, player who received the pass 25m away has to run back to where it was kicked and hand it to the taker? just all seems very unworkable

They have to hand it to the closest player so the lad 25m away hands it to the closest player and they then kick the ball 25m to where the original free took place which doesn't really speed the game up. 

[Milltown Row2]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

It does, but I've a feeling most refs won't have any issues with it being set down quickly and move away from play, not sure how practical that will be as the ball could be anywhere after a free is given

yeah exactly, if the ball had been kicked and ref was just blowing for over carrying for example, player who received the pass 25m away has to run back to where it was kicked and hand it to the taker? just all seems very unworkable

They have to hand it to the closest player so the lad 25m away hands it to the closest player and they then kick the ball 25m to where the original free took place which doesn't really speed the game up.

What if the ball is over the fence, or at the corner flag and near no one? Common sense has to be applied 

[statto]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

It does, but I've a feeling most refs won't have any issues with it being set down quickly and move away from play, not sure how practical that will be as the ball could be anywhere after a free is given

Which is the way it should be IMO, but why is it not in the rules that way then? Why complicate things by making them ' hand it back'? Deliberate obstruction or slowing down the play, then absolutely move it forward but the rule as written seems OTT

Would agree a player if they are blown for overcarrying will be frustrated, but that could be at themselves, the ref or team mates for not giving them the required level of support.  If the player is mild mannered and used to setting the ball down and moving on the shift to actually having to hand the ball back is going to be difficult.

[Saffron_sam20]

To be fair, I'm fairly tolerant, but every ref is different with regards to how people speak to them. So take that 'excuse' away from him altogether and set the ball down and move on...

Think as ex players/supporters/managers and so on most ref's understand that if a player 'asks' why the free was given the ref will explain, either verbally or demonstrate by actions what the free was given for, its the second or third time when questioning the reason that is a pain in the arse and that would or should be the reason why its brought forward.

The only game I have done this year I warned a lad 2 times and said that the next time he gives off I'll be moving the ball forward. This is a bedding in period for everyone, the players and management will make as many mistakes than the ref.

And I suppose the mood of the ref will determine things to, they aint robots 

I'm fairly vocal in my games, and usually right on top of play so generally speech playing with the players, saying 'all good' 'play on' 'no foul, get up' and so on.

It'll be the cut and thrust of championship when things will be really on the line that will be the most difficult, regardless of refs being mic'd up and plenty of officials at hand

Surely if a player does that the ball will be moved forward MR2?

Ball has to be handed back directly to the player or has that been changed?

It does, but I've a feeling most refs won't have any issues with it being set down quickly and move away from play, not sure how practical that will be as the ball could be anywhere after a free is given

yeah exactly, if the ball had been kicked and ref was just blowing for over carrying for example, player who received the pass 25m away has to run back to where it was kicked and hand it to the taker? just all seems very unworkable

They have to hand it to the closest player so the lad 25m away hands it to the closest player and they then kick the ball 25m to where the original free took place which doesn't really speed the game up.

apologies, youre right my bad, forgot all about that lol.