Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

Started by BennyCake, September 09, 2014, 12:47:26 PM

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Wildweasel74

I don't buy that players are stronger than ever before. Fitter yes but physically stronger I don't think it.

Christmas Lights

On the 1 vs 1 throw in,  Connacht worked one well but it's a total advantage to the team facing the ball if you get me.  Aidan OShea just boxed the ball from the throw up, put his fist straight though it over to his player facing opposite him.  Thats a huge advantage vs the team whose other midfielder is behind them
Your never going to be able to generate the power to do that if your midfield partner is behind you if you get me

Milltown Row2

In the grand  scheme of things the throw in has absolutely no bearing on the game
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Christmas Lights

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 08:42:18 AMIn the grand  scheme of things the throw in has absolutely no bearing on the game


I wouldn't say that at all. Just off the top of my head,  Eoin Murchans goal in the AI final vs Kerry that time had a huge bearing on the game as just one example.

You what they should have got rid of,  the pick up.  What value does it add to the game?

thewobbler

Quote from: Christmas Lights on October 20, 2024, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 08:42:18 AMIn the grand  scheme of things the throw in has absolutely no bearing on the game


That's one instance in 100,000 games.



I wouldn't say that at all. Just off the top of my head,  Eoin Murchans goal in the AI final vs Kerry that time had a huge bearing on the game as just one example.

You what they should have got rid of,  the pick up.  What value does it add to the game?

Truthsayer

Quote from: Christmas Lights on October 20, 2024, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 08:42:18 AMIn the grand  scheme of things the throw in has absolutely no bearing on the game


I wouldn't say that at all. Just off the top of my head,  Eoin Murchans goal in the AI final vs Kerry that time had a huge bearing on the game as just one example.

You what they should have got rid of,  the pick up.  What value does it add to the game?
The deciding goal in 2008 All Ireland final also came from the throw-in after Tyrone put sub Kevin Hughes into midfield for the second half.

Milltown Row2

How many club games at all levels are played every week? and I'm getting two examples!

If people take their heads out of their hole, look at this from 99% of the playing memberships they'll see that these things are really unworkable, and I'm not entirely sure of the benefits

If the throw is so important the winner of the toss has the initial kickoff from the keeper.

One v one in for the throw has no bearing if there was two v two has the winner of the ball will have still set up an opportunity to score from it. Pointless
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Wildweasel74

#1432
Only thing I say about the throw in. Is men are deliberately blocking men trying to contest the throw in, not even looking at the ball. Happens every county game.Should be a foul every time but never called

Truthsayer

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 09:09:23 AMHow many club games at all levels are played every week? and I'm getting two examples!

If people take their heads out of their hole, look at this from 99% of the playing memberships they'll see that these things are really unworkable, and I'm not entirely sure of the benefits

If the throw is so important the winner of the toss has the initial kickoff from the keeper.

One v one in for the throw has no bearing if there was two v two has the winner of the ball will have still set up an opportunity to score from it. Pointless

I've seen loads of club games where the throw-in has led to a major score or incident. Do you need them all listed?

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: Truthsayer on October 20, 2024, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 09:09:23 AMHow many club games at all levels are played every week? and I'm getting two examples!

If people take their heads out of their hole, look at this from 99% of the playing memberships they'll see that these things are really unworkable, and I'm not entirely sure of the benefits

If the throw is so important the winner of the toss has the initial kickoff from the keeper.

One v one in for the throw has no bearing if there was two v two has the winner of the ball will have still set up an opportunity to score from it. Pointless

I've seen loads of club games where the throw-in has led to a major score or incident. Do you need them all listed?

I think the point MR2 is making is it's not something that needed changed it works well as is, just changing for changing sake and giving ref something else to do. What's to stop the midfielder behind referees back making a run towards the middle well before ball is thrown in and the other midfielder just breaking it?

Truthsayer

Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on October 20, 2024, 09:35:48 AM
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 20, 2024, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 09:09:23 AMHow many club games at all levels are played every week? and I'm getting two examples!

If people take their heads out of their hole, look at this from 99% of the playing memberships they'll see that these things are really unworkable, and I'm not entirely sure of the benefits

If the throw is so important the winner of the toss has the initial kickoff from the keeper.

One v one in for the throw has no bearing if there was two v two has the winner of the ball will have still set up an opportunity to score from it. Pointless

I've seen loads of club games where the throw-in has led to a major score or incident. Do you need them all listed?

I think the point MR2 is making is it's not something that needed changed it works well as is, just changing for changing sake and giving ref something else to do. What's to stop the midfielder behind referees back making a run towards the middle well before ball is thrown in and the other midfielder just breaking it?
Two of the midfielders often get into a wrestling match. One on one seems an improvement.

thewobbler

Quote from: Truthsayer on October 20, 2024, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 09:09:23 AMHow many club games at all levels are played every week? and I'm getting two examples!

If people take their heads out of their hole, look at this from 99% of the playing memberships they'll see that these things are really unworkable, and I'm not entirely sure of the benefits

If the throw is so important the winner of the toss has the initial kickoff from the keeper.

One v one in for the throw has no bearing if there was two v two has the winner of the ball will have still set up an opportunity to score from it. Pointless

I've seen loads of club games where the throw-in has led to a major score or incident. Do you need them all listed?

I'd also expect you've seen loads of club game in which the team winning the throw-in gets turned over and concedes the first score.

And you'll have seen loads of games where the team winning the throw-in gets turned over, but regains possession again, and ends up with the first score.

And so on.

MR2 has called it perfectly. In the grand scheme of things, the throw-in has no bearing on the result.

Truthsayer

#1437
Quote from: thewobbler on October 20, 2024, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 20, 2024, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2024, 09:09:23 AMHow many club games at all levels are played every week? and I'm getting two examples!

If people take their heads out of their hole, look at this from 99% of the playing memberships they'll see that these things are really unworkable, and I'm not entirely sure of the benefits

If the throw is so important the winner of the toss has the initial kickoff from the keeper.

One v one in for the throw has no bearing if there was two v two has the winner of the ball will have still set up an opportunity to score from it. Pointless

I've seen loads of club games where the throw-in has led to a major score or incident. Do you need them all listed?

I'd also expect you've seen loads of club game in which the team winning the throw-in gets turned over and concedes the first score.

And you'll have seen loads of games where the team winning the throw-in gets turned over, but regains possession again, and ends up with the first score.

And so on.

MR2 has called it perfectly. In the grand scheme of things, the throw-in has no bearing on the result.
Does it have to have a bearing on the overall result? It's been very messy, this cleans it up.
Was also 2009 AI final when Tadgh Kennelly busted the Cork midfielder on the throw-in and ref didn't see it... or chose to ignore it. Happens in club games too.

Christmas Lights

GET RID OF THE PICK UP,  PUTING YOUR TOE UNDER THE BALL IN 2024. SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARY

Milltown Row2

I've been involved in thousands of games as a ref, and as a player from juvenile to senior, I've never once walked away from a game and thought, I'd wish we had just one v one for the throw in.

The game's broken in so many ways, this isn't one of them
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.