Standard of Refs

[Milltown Row2]

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

the abuse he took coming off the field was nothing short of a disgrace. best team won.

I think its a good thing to get assistance from the linesmen, who are referee's with probably more experience than the actual ref on the day, so that side of things should be good for the game..

As for the abuse, thats never going to stop, my brother was umpiring for me at the weekend and one supporter said to him "I hope he crashes on the way home"

The GAA is wonderful

[Brendan]

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

the abuse he took coming off the field was nothing short of a disgrace. best team won.

I think its a good thing to get assistance from the linesmen, who are referee's with probably more experience than the actual ref on the day, so that side of things should be good for the game..

As for the abuse, thats never going to stop, my brother was umpiring for me at the weekend and one supporter said to him "I hope he crashes on the way home"

The GAA is wonderful

While doing Linesman or Umpire duties I've heard some awful things said about the man in the middle but I never would have passed the message on, the brother must know you have a thick skin 

[Milltown Row2]

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

the abuse he took coming off the field was nothing short of a disgrace. best team won.

I think its a good thing to get assistance from the linesmen, who are referee's with probably more experience than the actual ref on the day, so that side of things should be good for the game..

As for the abuse, thats never going to stop, my brother was umpiring for me at the weekend and one supporter said to him "I hope he crashes on the way home"

The GAA is wonderful

While doing Linesman or Umpire duties I've heard some awful things said about the man in the middle but I never would have passed the message on, the brother must know you have a thick skin 

Well I was bringing him home, he just wanted to make sure I was alert lol

[GTP]

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

The linesman coming on to the pitch a few times to consult with the referee certainly didn't help him establish authority in the match. In this incident it did result in the correct decision as no black card offence had occurred, I think yellow was for a foot block resulting in a penalty. A certain section of the losing team's supporters took against the ref from the start and seemed determined to blame him for the result. The change of card from black to yellow to their benefit didn't lessen the criticism. I'd say he got most of the calls right across the 60 minutes and nothing controversial missed or given that would affect the result. You could argue about his style of refereeing but don't think it would be justifiable to complain about the standard.

[Estimator]

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

The linesman coming on to the pitch a few times to consult with the referee certainly didn't help him establish authority in the match. In this incident it did result in the correct decision as no black card offence had occurred, I think yellow was for a foot block resulting in a penalty. A certain section of the losing team's supporters took against the ref from the start and seemed determined to blame him for the result. The change of card from black to yellow to their benefit didn't lessen the criticism. I'd say he got most of the calls right across the 60 minutes and nothing controversial missed or given that would affect the result. You could argue about his style of refereeing but don't think it would be justifiable to complain about the standard.

It was obvious from the first couple of minutes on how he was going to ref the game, and despite initially blowing for nearly every bit contact, it didn't feel like he had full authority over the game.

 
If he'd booked the two lads wrestling on the floor and almost causing a bigger melee, he might have looked in control. But one team adapted to the ref, the other didn't. Despite disagreeing with a few of his calls he wasn't the difference between winning and losing.

[imtommygunn]

How's this for reffing...

[Milltown Row2]

The second one was defo overcarrying lol

[Would ye whist]

Is this ref not quite experienced having reffed for quite a long time?

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

[Link]

Is this ref not quite experienced having reffed for quite a long time?

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

yes has been around for some time.

Estimator, what else happened during the game where linesman intervened?
Honest question, i was there as a neutral. Great game, some of the points in the 2nd half were of top quality.

[GTP]

The linesmen seemed to be on the pitch a lot during any break or when a foul was awarded IMO it gave a perception they were advising the ref. Therefore taking his authority away and leaving him more open to criticism from the sidelines. It didn't look like proper teamwork.
Could be a simple explanation like their mics weren't working so they needed to go in and talk to referee.

[Milltown Row2]

The linesmen seemed to be on the pitch a lot during any break or when a foul was awarded IMO it gave a perception they were advising the ref. Therefore taking his authority away and leaving him more open to criticism from the sidelines. It didn't look like proper teamwork.
Could be a simple explanation like their mics weren't working so they needed to go in and talk to referee.

Typically the linesmen should come in for the 45's in football and 65's in hurling, standing behind the kickers for frees on their side, ensuring they are taking it from the right spot is encouraged.

Not all games have mic's so any off the ball stuff can be brought to ref's attention, possibly with the game being televised they were all making sure the calls were correct and for the optics it looked like he was consulting his team if he was unsure, which is fine.

As for leaving him open to criticism from the sidelines, thats a given regardless..

Were the linesmen more experienced? I personally don't like to get too involved unless asked, incident in game recently were the ref asked me which number carried out the free, on giving the number, I was subjected to abuse! I didn't blow the whistle nor call the ref over! So ya can't win..

The ref probably felt nervous, as long as he got the main calls correct then all good

[InnocentByStander]

The linesmen seemed to be on the pitch a lot during any break or when a foul was awarded IMO it gave a perception they were advising the ref. Therefore taking his authority away and leaving him more open to criticism from the sidelines. It didn't look like proper teamwork.
Could be a simple explanation like their mics weren't working so they needed to go in and talk to referee.

Typically the linesmen should come in for the 45's in football and 65's in hurling, standing behind the kickers for frees on their side, ensuring they are taking it from the right spot is encouraged.

Not all games have mic's so any off the ball stuff can be brought to ref's attention, possibly with the game being televised they were all making sure the calls were correct and for the optics it looked like he was consulting his team if he was unsure, which is fine.

As for leaving him open to criticism from the sidelines, thats a given regardless..

Were the linesmen more experienced? I personally don't like to get too involved unless asked, incident in game recently were the ref asked me which number carried out the free, on giving the number, I was subjected to abuse! I didn't blow the whistle nor call the ref over! So ya can't win..

The ref probably felt nervous, as long as he got the main calls correct then all good

What is the ruling on this (in bold), in our own SFC final the lineman showed the player the spot to take the free from, this is where he actually started his run up from stole about 5 yards  and put the ball over the bar, can the ref call for a hopball?

It is something that happens regularly and have never seen it penalised

[Estimator]

Is this ref not quite experienced having reffed for quite a long time?

Was at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

yes has been around for some time.

Estimator, what else happened during the game where linesman intervened?
Honest question, i was there as a neutral. Great game, some of the points in the 2nd half were of top quality.

Maybe it was just my perception of it, but the linesman on the dugout side (who is a very experienced referee), appeared to be involved in a lot of discussion and debate with the ref. That said the linesman did have to deal with a couple of vocal benches and management teams.  Didn't notice the linesman on the terrace side get involved at all really, and I was up on the bank on that side of the pitch.

The other farce that the linesman was involved in, was after a 'Screen kickout, Lavey had a goal opportunity which was saved by the keeper, and the ball went over the end line. The resultant '45 was all set to be taken, the ref and the linesman stopped the play and were in discussion about something**, but the outcome was 'Screen taking a kickout!!

**Was told after the game that Lavey had an extra man on the field on the play leading up to the '45, so they went back to the initial 'Screen kickout to restart the play. If that is true it would've been some craic had the keeper not saved and the ball ended up in the back of the net.

[Rossfan]

I see Referees have started a Union.
No wonder with the way they've been hung out to dry at times by Co Boards

[Itchy]

I see Referees have started a Union.
No wonder with the way they've been hung out to dry at times by Co Boards

They are dead right. The way players are getting off after getting red cards is ridiculous. They should look for some backing or refuse to officiate games.