Man Utd Thread:

[NAG1]

Poor result from a game that should have been closed out comfortably.

Taking in DeGea's error the game was still there for the taking.

Yet again AWB caught out of position in the 95th minute of the game, loses possession up the pitch and is out of his area. Easy ball down his channel causes the foul. Genuinely dont get how he is being talked up, he has improved slightly for end product but his positional play is ridiculous.

[Maroon Manc]

Don't get why Maguire is getting flack, he's not at fault for any of the goals

First goal he was badly caught out for pace. 3rd goal he was meant to marking Calvert Lewin and instead of marking he played for offside eventhough it was him that played them onside.  DeGea was slow off his line but it was up to the defence and their captain to be better organised on that free kick.

I can't even say Everton played well, Utd allowed them back in. But fair play to Everton for taking their chances and playing to the final whistle.

They played better in the 3-1 defeat to United earlier in the season. What kept them going was the belief from a 3 month unbeaten away run and knowing they wouldn't have to work that hard to score against that ropey United defence.

This is where the criticism of Maguire gets out of hand, there's nothing wrong wrong with his defending for their 1st goal. United's shape let them down which ended up in 3 Everton attackers on 3 United defenders.  As for the 3rd goal the clip doing the rounds on social media isn't from when the free kick was taken it was just after; Every free kick United decide Maguire gets around quick to try and cover, its all De Gea's fault. A proper keeper would be gathering that up in  front of Calvert Lewin.

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Don't get why Maguire is getting flack, he's not at fault for any of the goals

First goal he was badly caught out for pace. 3rd goal he was meant to marking Calvert Lewin and instead of marking he played for offside eventhough it was him that played them onside.  DeGea was slow off his line but it was up to the defence and their captain to be better organised on that free kick.

I can't even say Everton played well, Utd allowed them back in. But fair play to Everton for taking their chances and playing to the final whistle.

They played better in the 3-1 defeat to United earlier in the season. What kept them going was the belief from a 3 month unbeaten away run and knowing they wouldn't have to work that hard to score against that ropey United defence.

This is where the criticism of Maguire gets out of hand, there's nothing wrong wrong with his defending for their 1st goal. United's shape let them down which ended up in 3 Everton attackers on 3 United defenders.  As for the 3rd goal the clip doing the rounds on social media isn't from when the free kick was taken it was just after; Every free kick United decide Maguire gets around quick to try and cover, its all De Gea's fault. A proper keeper would be gathering that up in  front of Calvert Lewin.

I agree, Maguire isn't the worst. There just seems to be a complete lack of urgency to close people down. To get close and pressurise attackers. To stop crosses to close down and cut off space. Matic for SU 2nd goal is a prime example, ambling out with his two hands behind his back. You have to run, you need the desire to get out quickly to opponents and that is what Utd are lacking. That stops 5-10 goals a season and then you're in a different conversation. To many players are not showing that desire that willingness to work hard for every ball. Matic, AWB, Lindelof, Bailly, DeGea, Greenwood, Martial are all guilty of this.

[Onthe40]

eh, did u see some of Baillys defensive blocks in games over the xmas period, throwing himself at shots etc.. can't categories him with de gea, Maguire lindelof etc

[Cunny Funt]

This is where the criticism of Maguire gets out of hand, there's nothing wrong wrong with his defending for their 1st goal. United's shape let them down which ended up in 3 Everton attackers on 3 United defenders.  As for the 3rd goal the clip doing the rounds on social media isn't from when the free kick was taken it was just after; Every free kick United decide Maguire gets around quick to try and cover, its all De Gea's fault. A proper keeper would be gathering that up in  front of Calvert Lewin.

1st goal would be defended with a centre back with more pace in that situation. Everton played the same through passes in the recent league Cup tie which a quicker Bailly dealt with. 

Already said DeGea was too slow off his line for the 3rd goal but one can't ignore the role the captain played in it either.

Direct screen shot I've taken.

Marking no one, hand in the air playing for offside as the ball is knocked down and he still had his hand in the air when the ball was in the net. He should be the defender looking to win that header or at least marking Calvert Lewin tightly.



He did not get round quickly to cover on that free kick either. A mountain of goals United have conceded from simliar free kicks or corner kicks this season if that continues no trophy (FA Cup or Europa league) will be won and United will struggle to get a top 4 place in the league

[BennyCake]

I never understood players raising their hands appealing for offside, or worse still, stopping altogether. Especially now when VAR is in play.

If I was a manager I'd feckin' swing for any player who stopped instead of getting in there and clearing the danger.

[NAG1]

Maguire does get a touch from fans when things don't go well and some of it is deserved.

He could be more aggressive defensively in the air from set pieces, but teams know that he is decent in the air and they plan accordingly. His pace is his main issue for me and this is negated when he plays with Eric, but OGS seems to prefer Lindelof as a partner. If this is the case then they need to find full backs who can sense danger and dont get played around, Shaw has a good head for this AWB doesn't.

It was obvious early in the game that the danger was in the channels either side of the CB's and that is how they got in for DeGea's howler. Teams will have now worked on this as a way to get at them, so there needs to be a tweak to sort this.

[Boycey]

Maguire does get a touch from fans when things don't go well and some of it is deserved.

He could be more aggressive defensively in the air from set pieces, but teams know that he is decent in the air and they plan accordingly. His pace is his main issue for me and this is negated when he plays with Eric, but OGS seems to prefer Lindelof as a partner. If this is the case then they need to find full backs who can sense danger and dont get played around, Shaw has a good head for this AWB doesn't.

It was obvious early in the game that the danger was in the channels either side of the CB's and that is how they got in for DeGea's howler. Teams will have now worked on this as a way to get at them, so there needs to be a tweak to sort this.

Bailly has been available for only approx a third of the games played in his time at Utd. He would seem the best fit with Maguire but can you blame a manager for not staking too much on him when he's always injured. He goes into the past year of his contract this summer so I'd say he'll likely be sold.

Diallo with the match day squad today, I wonder will he get a few minutes.

[OgraAnDun]

And Benny will be delighted to know that DDG isn't with the match squad.

[NAG1]

Maguire does get a touch from fans when things don't go well and some of it is deserved.

He could be more aggressive defensively in the air from set pieces, but teams know that he is decent in the air and they plan accordingly. His pace is his main issue for me and this is negated when he plays with Eric, but OGS seems to prefer Lindelof as a partner. If this is the case then they need to find full backs who can sense danger and dont get played around, Shaw has a good head for this AWB doesn't.

It was obvious early in the game that the danger was in the channels either side of the CB's and that is how they got in for DeGea's howler. Teams will have now worked on this as a way to get at them, so there needs to be a tweak to sort this.

Bailly has been available for only approx a third of the games played in his time at Utd. He would seem the best fit with Maguire but can you blame a manager for not staking too much on him when he's always injured. He goes into the past year of his contract this summer so I'd say he'll likely be sold.

Diallo with the match day squad today, I wonder will he get a few minutes.

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[Cunny Funt]

Bailly has been available for only approx a third of the games played in his time at Utd. He would seem the best fit with Maguire but can you blame a manager for not staking too much on him when he's always injured. He goes into the past year of his contract this summer so I'd say he'll likely be sold.

Diallo with the match day squad today, I wonder will he get a few minutes.

Yes Bailly is too injury prone to rely on. Instead of wasting the summer transfer window on lad that Dortmund weren't going to sell more of an effort and focus should have been placed on signing a centre back and then even worse they allowed they January transfer window to close without any signing.

If named on the bench I'd say Diallo will get at least 10 minutes tonight. Has been very impressive with U23s will be interesting to see if he can bring that type of form into the first team.

[Milltown Row2]

Jesus, I nearly fell asleep through that first half...

Utd have no playmaker outside of Bruno.

[BennyCake]

I've had a bad feeling about this game since it started. I think West Ham are going to nick this.

[Rich Ricci]

That's 120 mins that won't exactly live long in the memory but a win is a win. Think Jenas summed it all up when trying to pick his MOTM.

[Cunny Funt]

Job done and deserved win. BBC didn't want to tell it like it was but that match ruined by Moyes negative tactics.  Watford in round 3 with players missing had more ambition to attack.  BennyCake could have played in goal for United tonight.