Man Utd Thread:

[Over the Bar]

I think Sanchez's performances for Arsenal have been greatly exaggerated. A few great moments in matches have been extrapolated into lots of great performances. I'd say you could count on one hand the number of times you could say about him from his time in England 'that was a great 90 mins from Sanchez'

A sloth could probably count them on one hand!

[HiMucker]

I think Sanchez's performances for Arsenal have been greatly exaggerated. A few great moments in matches have been extrapolated into lots of great performances. I'd say you could count on one hand the number of times you could say about him from his time in England 'that was a great 90 mins from Sanchez'

I don't know hound, Im a bit of an Arsenal sympathiser and watched a lot of Arsenal during that time and thought he was brilliant. Maybe some of the Arsenal fans could share their thoughts on it?

[Walter Cronc]

His work rate was second to none but sometimes he ran about like a headless chicken.

I think the easy way out is to blame the Glazers. Kronke is no better at Arsenal but at least Emery appears to have a plan, well at this early stage anyway.

[seafoid]

His work rate was second to none but sometimes he ran about like a headless chicken.

I think the easy way out is to blame the Glazers. Kronke is no better at Arsenal but at least Emery appears to have a plan, well at this early stage anyway.

Man Utd have been in crisis since Fergie left, Walter. The last 2 managers won the Champions League so they weren't employing nobodies.

[Walter Cronc]

Surely the manager has to take some accountability over the signings though Seafoid.

[Maroon Manc]

Looking at the last few seasons under Mourinho and based on the lack of players bought in last season I didn't see United doing any better than last seasons 81 points once the transfer window had closed. I'd have expected to see United play better football than last season and since the Newcastle game we've seen the best football under Mourinho.

Clearly many of his signings haven't worked out, Matic looked brilliant for the first few months but has been poor since now whether thats down to whats around him or him regressing as a player I don't now. Lukaku was very good last season, definitely wouldn't write him off. Fred hasn't settled in yet but I'm confident from what I've seen of him he'll do well. Its taken Lindelof a while but I've been very impressed with him recently. Mourinho ultimately has to take the blame for signings that don't work out.

The best we could hope for this season is Top 4, win a trophy and do better in Europe with what we've got and play a better brand of football.

[NAG1]

Looking at the last few seasons under Mourinho and based on the lack of players bought in last season I didn't see United doing any better than last seasons 81 points once the transfer window had closed. I'd have expected to see United play better football than last season and since the Newcastle game we've seen the best football under Mourinho.

Clearly many of his signings haven't worked out, Matic looked brilliant for the first few months but has been poor since now whether thats down to whats around him or him regressing as a player I don't now. Lukaku was very good last season, definitely wouldn't write him off. Fred hasn't settled in yet but I'm confident from what I've seen of him he'll do well. Its taken Lindelof a while but I've been very impressed with him recently. Mourinho ultimately has to take the blame for signings that don't work out.

The best we could hope for this season is Top 4, win a trophy and do better in Europe with what we've got and play a better brand of football.

MM would have to agree with a lot of that.

Comes back to the old thing of who is out there that would be available and want the job when they do pull the plug on JM. Sunday was bleak but they wont be playing a Man City every weekend, I think the test is to show a bit more positivity when they are playing everyone else.

[seafoid]

Surely the manager has to take some accountability over the signings though Seafoid.

He didn't buy very well, Walter , but the club is a mess.
There is no direction and that is not Mourinho's fault.

Man Utd last played in the Champions League Final in 2011 which is 8 seasons ago.
They were destroyed by a Guardiola team. 
Man Utd are currently failing and could easily fail for another decade.

If it was GAA they would be Down or maybe Meath.
You know when teams are not going anywhere, have no momentum or nothing to build on. It takes a long time to get out of that and become winners again.

[TabClear]

Surely the manager has to take some accountability over the signings though Seafoid.

He didn't buy very well, Walter , but the club is a mess.
There is no direction and that is not Mourinho's fault.

Man Utd last played in the Champions League Final in 2011 which is 8 seasons ago.
They were destroyed by a Guardiola team. 
Man Utd are currently failing and could easily fail for another decade.

If it was GAA they would be Down or maybe Meath.
You know when teams are not going anywhere, have no momentum or nothing to build on. It takes a long time to get out of that and become winners again.

Why are so many on here prepared to give José a bye ball? He has been given resources practically every other manager could only dream about, spent massively on players including a world record fee and he has absolutely failed to deliver. And on top of that he has acted like an arrogant bollox at every opportunity, blamed everyone but himself including throwing players under the bus and played awful football to boot.

All a manager can ask for is money for transfers and freedom to decide how the team play. Jose has got both of these. The man is a cancer

[Boycey]

Who's giving him a bye ball? The world's about opinions, and some on here feel that maybe he's not the root cause of all United's issues.

Personally if I thought getting rid of him in the morning would make things better I'd lose no sleep but I don't and ain't going to say so just cause it's the easy thing to do...

[NAG1]

Who's giving him a bye ball? The world's about opinions, and some on here feel that maybe he's not the root cause of all United's issues.

Personally if I thought getting rid of him in the morning would make things better I'd lose no sleep but I don't and ain't going to say so just cause it's the easy thing to do...

It is a lot more complex than just sacking the manager.
At the end of the day it is a results business like it or not and at the moment as I have kept refering back too, the team finished second behind City last season.

City are getting plaudits as one of the best sides in Europe never mind the EPL. So that means under his guidance they finished ahead of Liverpool and Spurs who everyone raved about all last year. So I can see why in some sense he is aggrieved at how he is treated by the media.

The style of football etc is another debate entirely.

[Mayo4Sam]

Second captains made an interesting point that on Uniteds bench (Fred) was a player who cost more than all but Mahrez and Laporte at City.

[Boycey]

Second captains made an interesting point that on Uniteds bench (Fred) was a player who cost more than all but Mahrez and Laporte at City.

One stat in isolation proves little, I could produce several to counter it.

[Maroon Manc]

All City have done since 2008 is spend huge money, they've a lot more expensive signings who've not worked out then United. City must have signed at least 10 players around what Fred would cost so thats a pathetic comment to make. City's best 16/17 players cost about £700m so lets not get carried away.

Pep would not be replicating what he's done at City with United. He inherited Sterling, Aguero, De Bruyne, Fernandinho & Silva. Thats 5 out of his first choice front 6 so he had a lot easier job than he'd have had at United. Then he went out and spent nearly £550m so about £200m more than Unitd have spent during that period.

Look at the state of that squad Mourinho inherited, it had one outfield player in Martial who'd be probably good enough to start in a Pep team.

[seafoid]

All City have done since 2008 is spend huge money, they've a lot more expensive signings who've not worked out then United. City must have signed at least 10 players around what Fred would cost so thats a pathetic comment to make. City's best 16/17 players cost about £700m so lets not get carried away.

Pep would not be replicating what he's done at City with United. He inherited Sterling, Aguero, De Bruyne, Fernandinho & Silva. Thats 5 out of his first choice front 6 so he had a lot easier job than he'd have had at United. Then he went out and spent nearly £550m so about £200m more than Unitd have spent during that period.

Look at the state of that squad Mourinho inherited, it had one outfield player in Martial who'd be probably good enough to start in a Pep team.

When the county gets hammered in Croke Park you know on the way home that more than a few players are not good enough and will have to be replaced even if there is currently nobody. It is a painful adjustment to GAA reality.   Man Utd are in a similar position. There is too much dead wood. And there is too much wood ward.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/12/manchester-united-transfer-market-jose-mourinho

Of the centre-backs the defensively suspect Chris Smalling, Marcos Rojo and Phil Jones should be sold, and two new ones bought to compete with Victor Lindelöf and Eric Bailly
Nemanja Matic should become a squad option only, and the average Ander Herrera and Scott McTominay sold.
Alexis Sánchez was meant to be the answer but has scored once in nine league appearances this season and is thought to want to leave. Factor in him being a free transfer who earns at least £350,000 a week and United should offload him in January. Marcus Rashford again failed at centre-forward against City and appears lost so at 21 would benefit from a loan. Juan Mata and Jesse Lingard are merely squad players.

When City beat Fulham 2-0 in the Carabao Cup Guardiola made 10 changes to field a "second XI" that featured Brazil's No 9, Jesus, Vincent Kompany, the captain, England's World Cup player Fabian Delph, Sané, Danilo and Kevin De Bruyne, who when fit again may put Bernardo Silva back on the bench. Mourinho can only dream of these riches: his outfield replacements for the derby were Jones, Darmian, Fred, Sánchez and Lukaku – the latter still recovering from injury.