Man Utd Thread:

[NAG1]

MM who do you think are likely to see the exit door, or is it more a case of bulking up the squad to be able to maintain a challenge for the title next year?

Bit of both I'd imagine, he's 3 players down since the start of the season with the players that have left since January. I think the only certainties to leave are Rooney & Januzaj although he'll probably get rid of at least one defender. I'd be surprised if he doesn't spend £200m this summer but who he spends it on will depends on whether we qualify for the CL although Pogba did come without it.

Januzaj is a player I actually thought could have benefited from JM coming to the club, he has the undoubted talent but doesnt seem to have got it all together yet, which is a pity.

Yeah I dont expect a massive clear out either, I have though one of two moving on with up to 3/4 coming in.

[Megaman]

i think 3 or 4 will move on, obviously depending on who comes in. Could be the same coming in. JM will spend £200+

I believe Griezman will definitely come in and maybe Mbappe.

Hopefully Linedlof but not so sure about that one.

[Hound]

Hererra will get roasted by Jose, and deservedly so, for turning and then ducking instead of taking the brunt of Xhaka's shot.   What's the point in being their if you're going to duck??

Really was awful by Herrera. Key incident in the game. If it was Rooney, he'd be getting some slating on here! Although, in fairness to Rooney I don't think he'd be afraid of getting hit by a ball

[magpie seanie]

Hererra will get roasted by Jose, and deservedly so, for turning and then ducking instead of taking the brunt of Xhaka's shot.   What's the point in being their if you're going to duck??

Really was awful by Herrera. Key incident in the game. If it was Rooney, he'd be getting some slating on here! Although, in fairness to Rooney I don't think he'd be afraid of getting hit by a ball

Don't they all turn their backs but yeah, it was disappointing. I'd expect more from Herrera but he has credit in the bank unlike Rooney. Don't understand it as turning your back is more dangerous than getting one in the snoz I'd have thought.

[NAG1]

I'd say a lot of it is pure instinct in that split second just a reaction. Poor form but done now.

Herrera has been a different player this season and one that I really enjoy watching in the side.

[StGallsGAA]

Pogba's transfer being investigated by FIFA.  Do you think we might get a refund from Juve?? 

[seafoid]

Maureen has probably hit the football equivalent of the menopause


https://www.ft.com/content/79243fec-067f-11e6-9b51-0fb5e65703ce
After the innovator's early triumphs, he is typically snapped up by a giant club — often just at the moment when he is becoming less innovative. It's hard to be a pioneer twice, especially when you have to win a match every three days. Life at the top is busy. Your own loyal staff grows stale with you. Your early luck regresses to the mean. Meanwhile other managers steal your ideas, and younger innovators improve on them.
The innovator quickly uses up the ideas that he began with. Guardiola confesses in Martí Perarnau's Pep Confidential that when he quit Barcelona in 2012, "I was on my knees and had no new tactical ideas left. That was why I left."
The innovator's early success guarantees him a long ride at the top. This summer, Guardiola, aged 45, will hop from Bayern Munich to Manchester City. But judging by past innovative managers, he has already peaked. By 45, Johan Cruyff, Arrigo Sacchi and Van Gaal had won their last European trophies. By contrast, less tactically innovative coaches who excel as man managers — notably Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelotti — tend to remain successful for longer.
The penultimate stage is where Van Gaal is now: the bewildered old former innovator. The patient passing game he installed at Ajax 25 years ago can no longer pull apart modern defences. Meanwhile his lasting innovations — for instance, making his forwards ceaselessly press opponents to win the ball — have been copied by everyone else. He keeps chopping and changing unproductively at Manchester United, because he no longer knows what to do. Likewise, all Wenger's past innovations have long since become best practice across football.
As the innovator ages and loses confidence, he tones down his irritating demeanour, reducing his run-ins with players, club presidents and journalists. But after those first magical six or seven years, he ceases to be special. He becomes just another manager, who wins when his players are good and loses when they aren't."

[nrico2006]

Maureen has probably hit the football equivalent of the menopause


https://www.ft.com/content/79243fec-067f-11e6-9b51-0fb5e65703ce
After the innovator's early triumphs, he is typically snapped up by a giant club — often just at the moment when he is becoming less innovative. It's hard to be a pioneer twice, especially when you have to win a match every three days. Life at the top is busy. Your own loyal staff grows stale with you. Your early luck regresses to the mean. Meanwhile other managers steal your ideas, and younger innovators improve on them.
The innovator quickly uses up the ideas that he began with. Guardiola confesses in Martí Perarnau's Pep Confidential that when he quit Barcelona in 2012, "I was on my knees and had no new tactical ideas left. That was why I left."
The innovator's early success guarantees him a long ride at the top. This summer, Guardiola, aged 45, will hop from Bayern Munich to Manchester City. But judging by past innovative managers, he has already peaked. By 45, Johan Cruyff, Arrigo Sacchi and Van Gaal had won their last European trophies. By contrast, less tactically innovative coaches who excel as man managers — notably Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelotti — tend to remain successful for longer.
The penultimate stage is where Van Gaal is now: the bewildered old former innovator. The patient passing game he installed at Ajax 25 years ago can no longer pull apart modern defences. Meanwhile his lasting innovations — for instance, making his forwards ceaselessly press opponents to win the ball — have been copied by everyone else. He keeps chopping and changing unproductively at Manchester United, because he no longer knows what to do. Likewise, all Wenger's past innovations have long since become best practice across football.
As the innovator ages and loses confidence, he tones down his irritating demeanour, reducing his run-ins with players, club presidents and journalists. But after those first magical six or seven years, he ceases to be special. He becomes just another manager, who wins when his players are good and loses when they aren't."

As you have referenced, the same can obviously be said of Wenger, Guardiola and Klopp too. 

[screenexile]

Maureen has probably hit the football equivalent of the menopause


https://www.ft.com/content/79243fec-067f-11e6-9b51-0fb5e65703ce
After the innovator's early triumphs, he is typically snapped up by a giant club — often just at the moment when he is becoming less innovative. It's hard to be a pioneer twice, especially when you have to win a match every three days. Life at the top is busy. Your own loyal staff grows stale with you. Your early luck regresses to the mean. Meanwhile other managers steal your ideas, and younger innovators improve on them.
The innovator quickly uses up the ideas that he began with. Guardiola confesses in Martí Perarnau's Pep Confidential that when he quit Barcelona in 2012, "I was on my knees and had no new tactical ideas left. That was why I left."
The innovator's early success guarantees him a long ride at the top. This summer, Guardiola, aged 45, will hop from Bayern Munich to Manchester City. But judging by past innovative managers, he has already peaked. By 45, Johan Cruyff, Arrigo Sacchi and Van Gaal had won their last European trophies. By contrast, less tactically innovative coaches who excel as man managers — notably Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelotti — tend to remain successful for longer.
The penultimate stage is where Van Gaal is now: the bewildered old former innovator. The patient passing game he installed at Ajax 25 years ago can no longer pull apart modern defences. Meanwhile his lasting innovations — for instance, making his forwards ceaselessly press opponents to win the ball — have been copied by everyone else. He keeps chopping and changing unproductively at Manchester United, because he no longer knows what to do. Likewise, all Wenger's past innovations have long since become best practice across football.
As the innovator ages and loses confidence, he tones down his irritating demeanour, reducing his run-ins with players, club presidents and journalists. But after those first magical six or seven years, he ceases to be special. He becomes just another manager, who wins when his players are good and loses when they aren't."

As you have referenced, the same can obviously be said of Wenger, Guardiola and Klopp too.

Yes... Guardiola's definitely finished... He's in his first season at a new club and still on track to have won a Cup every year since he's been a manager, but he's finished yeah!

[Cunny Funt]

Maureen has probably hit the football equivalent of the menopause


https://www.ft.com/content/79243fec-067f-11e6-9b51-0fb5e65703ce
After the innovator's early triumphs, he is typically snapped up by a giant club — often just at the moment when he is becoming less innovative. It's hard to be a pioneer twice, especially when you have to win a match every three days. Life at the top is busy. Your own loyal staff grows stale with you. Your early luck regresses to the mean. Meanwhile other managers steal your ideas, and younger innovators improve on them.
The innovator quickly uses up the ideas that he began with. Guardiola confesses in Martí Perarnau's Pep Confidential that when he quit Barcelona in 2012, "I was on my knees and had no new tactical ideas left. That was why I left."
The innovator's early success guarantees him a long ride at the top. This summer, Guardiola, aged 45, will hop from Bayern Munich to Manchester City. But judging by past innovative managers, he has already peaked. By 45, Johan Cruyff, Arrigo Sacchi and Van Gaal had won their last European trophies. By contrast, less tactically innovative coaches who excel as man managers — notably Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelotti — tend to remain successful for longer.
The penultimate stage is where Van Gaal is now: the bewildered old former innovator. The patient passing game he installed at Ajax 25 years ago can no longer pull apart modern defences. Meanwhile his lasting innovations — for instance, making his forwards ceaselessly press opponents to win the ball — have been copied by everyone else. He keeps chopping and changing unproductively at Manchester United, because he no longer knows what to do. Likewise, all Wenger's past innovations have long since become best practice across football.
As the innovator ages and loses confidence, he tones down his irritating demeanour, reducing his run-ins with players, club presidents and journalists. But after those first magical six or seven years, he ceases to be special. He becomes just another manager, who wins when his players are good and loses when they aren't."

As you have referenced, the same can obviously be said of Wenger, Guardiola and Klopp too.

Yes... Guardiola's definitely finished... He's in his first season at a new club and still on track to have won a Cup every year since he's been a manager, but he's finished yeah!

Not this year unless they are handing out trophies for a top 4 finish.

[seafoid]

Maureen has probably hit the football equivalent of the menopause


https://www.ft.com/content/79243fec-067f-11e6-9b51-0fb5e65703ce
After the innovator's early triumphs, he is typically snapped up by a giant club — often just at the moment when he is becoming less innovative. It's hard to be a pioneer twice, especially when you have to win a match every three days. Life at the top is busy. Your own loyal staff grows stale with you. Your early luck regresses to the mean. Meanwhile other managers steal your ideas, and younger innovators improve on them.
The innovator quickly uses up the ideas that he began with. Guardiola confesses in Martí Perarnau's Pep Confidential that when he quit Barcelona in 2012, "I was on my knees and had no new tactical ideas left. That was why I left."
The innovator's early success guarantees him a long ride at the top. This summer, Guardiola, aged 45, will hop from Bayern Munich to Manchester City. But judging by past innovative managers, he has already peaked. By 45, Johan Cruyff, Arrigo Sacchi and Van Gaal had won their last European trophies. By contrast, less tactically innovative coaches who excel as man managers — notably Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelotti — tend to remain successful for longer.
The penultimate stage is where Van Gaal is now: the bewildered old former innovator. The patient passing game he installed at Ajax 25 years ago can no longer pull apart modern defences. Meanwhile his lasting innovations — for instance, making his forwards ceaselessly press opponents to win the ball — have been copied by everyone else. He keeps chopping and changing unproductively at Manchester United, because he no longer knows what to do. Likewise, all Wenger's past innovations have long since become best practice across football.
As the innovator ages and loses confidence, he tones down his irritating demeanour, reducing his run-ins with players, club presidents and journalists. But after those first magical six or seven years, he ceases to be special. He becomes just another manager, who wins when his players are good and loses when they aren't."

As you have referenced, the same can obviously be said of Wenger, Guardiola and Klopp too.

Yes... Guardiola's definitely finished... He's in his first season at a new club and still on track to have won a Cup every year since he's been a manager, but he's finished yeah!

He failed at Bayern. He was supposed to turn them into Barca, winning the CL regularly

[The Trap]

How bad are Utd?

[imtommygunn]

How can they spend so much money and be so rubbish? The atmosphere at old trafford is so stale these days too.

If they lose this mourinho could maybe struggle to keep his job and it might be a blessing in disguise.

[GJL]

That red card for a Baily was ridiculous. Can they appeal it?

[gallsman]

That red card for a Baily was ridiculous. Can they appeal it?

You mean when he lost the rag and raised his hands to two different players?

Skin off the teeth at the end there.