Donegal v Kerry AIQF

Started by RMDrive, July 28, 2012, 08:42:39 PM

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emmetryan

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saffron sam2

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Ten years ago such a match would have been a foregone conclusion; all a Kerry man had to do was shout "Remember Drumboe" and that stirring call to arms would have been enough to raise sufficient fire in the belly to prevail.

Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players. They are won by those on the line and because of that (as with 03, 05 and 08) Kerry will come up short. Donegal are better prepared and have a better system than Kerry. I have yet to hear anyone asking what Donegal will have to do to beat Kerry; it is the Kingdom who have to change to be successful.

Look to at the recent records: Donegal have beaten (an admittedly mediocre) Tyrone in successive championship matches and celebrated as if someone had knocked down and killed the family cat; Kerry have never to my knowledge managed this feat and celebrate a facile single win as if it was their biggest ever win. Which, in a way, it was.

Look too at the flaws in the Kerry team; the O Ses and O'Mahony don't have the legs, Enright or O'Donoghue the experience, Young the form, Brosnan the confidence of his manager, the midfield neither mobility nor Darragh, Galvin and Donaghy the discipline, Gooch will choke. Which really only leaves Declan O'Sullivan and that won't be enough.

Donegal will win.

Daly, Enright and Sullivan deserve a more peaceful rest.
the breathing of the vanished lies in acres round my feet

Keane

The underdogs cover the spread if they win by definition.

saffron sam2

Quote from: Keane on August 02, 2012, 05:26:42 PM
The underdogs cover the spread if they win by definition.

A very random post there Keane.

Rule 2. Always quote the post you're referring to.
the breathing of the vanished lies in acres round my feet

cadence

Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6053


all killer no filler as always emmet. love your blog.

i hope you're right about the eventually winners. doubt it'll be a cakewalk for whoever wins. that's never going to happen... got drama and intensity to the max written all over it.

just a comment re the commonly held theory that kerry choke.. don't accept this at all... they just run out of time like all great teams that fight to the end still trying to find a way to win it. hopefully it'll be us with our noses in front when it blows up.


Seamus

Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM

Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players.

The only reason Kerry are contenders this year is because the pain of last year's AIF is so fresh in the minds. That is where the motivation is coming from. If on the other hand Kerry won last year they would not have enough "fire in the belly" to win on Sunday. I'm expecting a massive display from Kerry, hope it's good enough.
"I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies".

mlcollins

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Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
Ten years ago such a match would have been a foregone conclusion; all a Kerry man had to do was shout "Remember Drumboe" and that stirring call to arms would have been enough to raise sufficient fire in the belly to prevail.

Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players. They are won by those on the line and because of that (as with 03, 05 and 08) Kerry will come up short. Donegal are better prepared and have a better system than Kerry. I have yet to hear anyone asking what Donegal will have to do to beat Kerry; it is the Kingdom who have to change to be successful.

Look to at the recent records: Donegal have beaten (an admittedly mediocre) Tyrone in successive championship matches and celebrated as if someone had knocked down and killed the family cat; Kerry have never to my knowledge managed this feat and celebrate a facile single win as if it was their biggest ever win. Which, in a way, it was.

Look too at the flaws in the Kerry team; the O Ses and O'Mahony don't have the legs, Enright or O'Donoghue the experience, Young the form, Brosnan the confidence of his manager, the midfield neither mobility nor Darragh, Galvin and Donaghy the discipline, Gooch will choke. Which really only leaves Declan O'Sullivan and that won't be enough.

Donegal will win and cover the handicap.

Daly, Enright and Sullivan deserve a more peaceful rest.


What a piece of unmitigated garbage from surprise,surprise a NORDIE and imagine one of those nordies from a multi winning all-ireland county LOL,  ::)  ,As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.

Keane

Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 06:12:15 PM
A very random post there Keane.

Rule 2. Always quote the post you're referring to.

Nice to give people a chance to correct their errors.

Makes it pretty obvious when the post directly above yours has an edit in it regardless, I imagine most suspect something fairly dumb must have been said to warrant such a move.

emmetryan

Quote from: cadence on August 02, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6053


all killer no filler as always emmet. love your blog.

i hope you're right about the eventually winners. doubt it'll be a cakewalk for whoever wins. that's never going to happen... got drama and intensity to the max written all over it.



Thanks cadence. I'm expecting a few surprises on Sunday in terms of what both teams do.
writer of the Tactics not Passion series at Action81.com

cadence

Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 02, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on August 02, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of this game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6053


all killer no filler as always emmet. love your blog.

i hope you're right about the eventually winners. doubt it'll be a cakewalk for whoever wins. that's never going to happen... got drama and intensity to the max written all over it.



Thanks cadence. I'm expecting a few surprises on Sunday in terms of what both teams do.

not at all, thank you emmet.

yep two very shrewd managers... can't wait to see how they run it.       

CorkMan

Quote from: mlcollins on August 02, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
As for the kerrygold add above,i'm still laughing,posted by a mayo poster and its first riposte by a langer,hillarious stuff,you couldn't write it, from the two biggest chokers in the game.

Better a choker than an absoloute gobshite who lacks a sense of humour.

saffron sam2

Quote from: Seamus on August 02, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 02, 2012, 05:20:09 PM

Now games are won and lost neither by fire in the belly nor by having better players.

The only reason Kerry are contenders this year is because the pain of last year's AIF is so fresh in the minds. That is where the motivation is coming from. If on the other hand Kerry won last year they would not have enough "fire in the belly" to win on Sunday. I'm expecting a massive display from Kerry, hope it's good enough.

Fair enough point and 04, 06 and 09 would back it up. But I think things have moved on even since then with Donegal taking preparation to a new level and motivation alone is not enough.
the breathing of the vanished lies in acres round my feet

Frank Casey

Kerry Team unchanged.

1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin)
2. Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 3. Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore), 4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5. Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 6. Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes) 7. Killian Young (Renard)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's)
10. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 11. Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada) 12. Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane)
13. James O'Donoghue, (Killarney Legion) 14. Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes) 15. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks)

Substitutes:
16. Brian Kelly (Killarney Legion) 17. Brian Maguire (Listowel Emmet's)
18. Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 19. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
20. Kieran O'Leary (Dr Crokes) 21. Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes)
22. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane) 23. Jonathan Lyne (Killarney Legion)
24. Seamus Scanlon (Currow) 25. Barry John Keane (Kerins O'Rahilly's)
26. Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr Crokes) 27. Michael Geaney (Daingean Uí Chúis)
KERRY 3:7