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Great photo, deserved it.

Makes me respect Cluxton a bit more to be honest

In fairness its funny, the look of satisfaction on cluxtons face.

Regarding the other comments, this is what happens when former players talk about incidents, Alan started it, McDonnell defended it, so on and so forth.

Again, we run away with ourselves sometimes and sensationalised  stuff, anything that happens now in GAA circles in sensationalised.

Bottom line of thread, Cluxton is up there as one of many great GAA players.

Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.

But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:

Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.

The county board then go to the provincial council.

Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.

Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.

I will be back.

The old chestnut about Dublin funding amenities down the county in silly.

Collective government have allowed a ridiculous amount of economic development be centred on Dublin . That is utterly mad planning .

I take your point about a good co board but be honest it is easy do those plans when you know the money is coming ,

Ah I was only messing. Decentralisation etc....

Lads, it is what it is.

The 33,000 Leitrims will never be able to compete with 1,300,000 Dublins even if everyone from 4 to 40 was coached every day of the week.

There's 1.3 Million Senior Gaelic footballers in Dublin? Wow.

Great photo, deserved it.

Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.

But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:

Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.

The county board then go to the provincial council.

Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.

Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.

I will be back.

[the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html

Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.

U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard

Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.

Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.

Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.

The obsession continues.

TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?

No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).

The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.

I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.

Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.

You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.

There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.

Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.

Okay I realise I am probably arguing with somebody who when they think of Financial Reporting they have an image of the hand counting 50 euro notes on RTE Six One News but I'll do my best!!!
Mayo County Board took out a loan of roughly 5 million euros with Ulster Bank & 5 million euros from the GAA to finance the refurbishment of McHale Park. They entered into a loan agreement that would have them repay the loan plus interest over certain amount of years. This loan as like all loans taken out by county boards was underwritten by the GAA HQ as a gurantor (bit like your parents did for your Leaving Cert Holiday personal loan this summer), intsead of using the asset i.e. McHale Park as collateral.
Now when the Mayo county board were struggling to make the annual repayment of the loan to Ulster bank GAA HQ decided to buy the loan off Ulster Bank so the Mayo Co Board would now repay the loan to Croke Park only.
Now here is the important part, to help the Mayo Co Board the GAA lengthened the term of the loan to reduce the annual repayments figure required each year but as a consequence Mayo will have to pay more interest on the Loan in the long run. So while Mayo Co Board will pay a lower annual loan repayment to help reduce day to day expenses they will be forced to carry the debt longer and WILL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT PLUS INCREASED INTEREST OF ALL THE MONIES OWED ON THE LOAN!!!!

A bail out for example would be where the GAA took over responsibilty for and repaid the Ulster Bank Loan, leved all the other counties a charge to cover the cost of buying out the €10 million loan then charge Mayo a written down amount of say €3 million and the rest of the GAA membership carried the written down cost of €7 million as result of Mayo's mistakes!!

As fo Mayo having millions in the bank, if you look at their accounts they posted in 2015 & 2016 a Balance Sheet profit based on assets held similiar to the Balance Sheet profits posted by AIB & Anglo Irish Bank in 2007!!! Essentially in real terms Mayo take in just about enough money to cover the costs each year mainly by fundraising and increasing annual charges on the clubs plus the Chairde Mhaigh Eo season ticket.
They majority of the expenses are running the county senior & underage football & hurling teams along with the loan repayments compared to a tiny amount spent on coaching & development. The unequal expenses spend can be put down to the ridiculous mistakes made during the redevlopment of McHale park no doubt but also down to a smaller or non-existent it could be argued devlopment grant payments from Central Council!!!

I understand finance and accounting practices, im in the same game.

So why are spending so much on your senior team then if you cant afford it.?

To address I think you have a point but your use of "Spewan" makes you look a bit vindictive.

The centres you mentioned are being funded by Co Boards following massive fundraising campaigns and much of this through the diaspora .  They have to do this because largely the facilities in these counties lag behind the big urban centres . 

Every metric is now favouring Dublin. 

Population , facilities ,  economic development , club structures , etc ,  central GAA funding ,  croke park for league and champ games and huge corporate sponsorship.

10 {or more?)of the Mayo panel live in Dublin .  Think of the logistical difficulty there.

There is a huge gap here and it is growing

Nobody can reasonably deny any of this.
But we'll still be told that other counties are unequal, that it is only a phase, that it isn't Dublin's fault, yadda yadda yadda.

To be fair to Dublin they are not to blame here .  This argument isn't anti Dublin but rather a genuine concern that inter county football may no longer be competitive.

At this stage I think the genie is out of the bottle .   The GAA and the government are the culprits here.

It hasn't been competitive in the last 14 years. 5 teams have won the All Ireland. Kerry 5, Tyrone 3, Cork 1, Donegal 1 and Dublin 4. The fact is, like in every sport, not everyone competes at the same level, there is only 1 winner every year and usually the cream always rises to the top.

Again, the apologists for were people live now, that is not a Dublin senior football issue, its a Mayo issue, hook the lads up with jobs in their own county or perhaps they don't want to live there!!!> 

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html

Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.

U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard

Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.

Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.

Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.

The obsession continues.

TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?

No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).

The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.

I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.

Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.

You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.

There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.

Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.

Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.

The obsession continues.

[Kerry]

Leinster Minor titles  2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017

Leinster under 21 titles  2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017

Leinster Senior Titles 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017

All Ireland Minor 2012

All Ireland u-21 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017

All Ireland Senior 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016

This Phenomenal group a really doing the business! I mean how lucky are Dublin football to suddenly fall on such riches (excuse the pun) of talent! I know it is only a fad and will pass!

Throw up Kerry's record too.not too shabby I'd guess.

Kerry

Munster Minor 2006, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017

Munster under 21 2008, 2017


Munster Senior 2005, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017


Minor AI 2014, 2015, 2016

Under 21 AI 2008

Senior AI 2009, 2014

Meath

Leinster Senior 2010

Leinster u-21

Leinster Minor 2006, 2008


AI Senior

AI under 21

AI Minor

I think other Munster teams really have to have a look at the Kerry money now, the wealthiest sponsorship in Irish sporting history and when you can put GPS systems on players at a u-16 girls match you really need to look at it. Pooling the sponsorship together and then letting other teams access their new centre of excellence they are going to build which cost millions.  Waterford footballers for example.

You were not asked to post Meath stats, who cares about Meath, Had a few good years in the 90s and won a few championships for being the most violent team in history with a couple of star players, that's it. Dublin were and are always going be ahead of the rest in Leinster. Kildare will be challenging Dublin now and with years to come, they have good underage teams beating and competing with Dublin.

When Mayo won 5 in a row in Connaught, where were the calls for change?

Here is some good insight into how the underage structures and development squads are run in Dublin by Shocko.

From September 2016y so probably posted before. https://www.buzz.ie/amp/gaa/long-read-how-dublin-breed-footballers-167510 

Would former inter- county players not coach underage teams in other counties? Probably not if they didn't get paid.......

Dublin's organic advantages

1. Population
2. Club championship and standard
3. Culture/tradition/heritage

Dublin's inorganic advantages

1. Finance
2. Home advantage

Marry the two and you get what you have. It's not as if they have fantastic infrastructure (a shithole for a stadium, no centre of excellence etc). You would expect to see massive growth in participation levels and new clubs growing by the dozen but you don't. Our money goes on developing their players first through their clubs and then their development squads and finally the elite support team Jim Gavin has assembled.

We are told this waa a great plan, every county should do the same, it's all spin and bolloxology.

Take away the money, home advantage and Dublin will still be competitive, that's the crux. Con O'Callaghan is a product of nuture and there is only dozens more on the way.

This is a national problem, a weak minded media will do nothing, afterall where is there biggest market?

I agree with all the above to extent. Dublin players and fans will agree with you that they want to play a lot more games outside of Croke park, Cluxton even said it in his speech on Sunday. Playing in Dublin all the time is an advantage which will be happily waived. Winning 4 out the last 5 leagues shows that Dublin can win anywhere in Ireland.

However, 5 current players father played and won All Irelands for Dublin = Natural sporting ability. Just like so many counties , to say players are products is not accurate.

Backed by the most expensively assembled group of players the GAA has ever seen..

Good one. Original

Cluxton not only the best keeper of all time, possibly the greatest player of all time. Hopefully does the business this year and then retires.

Leinster Minor titles  2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017

Leinster under 21 titles  2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017

Leinster Senior Titles 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017

All Ireland Minor 2012

All Ireland u-21 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017

All Ireland Senior 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016

This Phenomenal group a really doing the business! I mean how lucky are Dublin football to suddenly fall on such riches (excuse the pun) of talent! I know it is only a fad and will pass!

Yep, special time to be a Dub, along with club football going well too.

One of the reasons for this - https://www.buzz.ie/amp/gaa/long-read-how-dublin-breed-footballers-167510

Its not a Dublin hate thread. Read the title.

It is so people like yourself can vent. Chill out man, more important things in life than the Dublin senior footballers have a good team once every 15 years.