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Just a small point, 17 pages on the Dubln V Meath thread, 2 pages on this, a lot better game, more action, Kerry nearly beaten etc, it tells us about the interest in Dublin.

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Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it’s become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It’s aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.

To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.

Not at all, Money is a key component but its mutiple factors that contribute to the success of this team and stated above and forever and ever, the grant money recieved, which is peoples main argument, none of the current squad benefited from that money.

Dublin have advantages absolutley, some have always been there, some are new.

Also, Gents, you cant be taking KerryforSam for real, he/she is on the wind up, best ignored.

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One in Croker ( Not Dublin) and one in Cork.

I think the bigger issue here is Dublin playing 2 super 8 games in Croker, the first 2, meaning the last away game could be dead rubber for them, depending on results and who makes its through to the group obviosuly.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Diarmuid
« on: June 25, 2019, 10:50:13 AM »
He retired 2 years ago, best of luck to him.

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Well done Dublin, another historical milestone, a great performance in terrible conditions and did it with honour abnd pride in the competion. Meath good in parts except for their shooting and final third play. good tackling and hard hits was done well for the majority of the game. I never get tired of winning and beating our closest neighbour and rival. Hoping for 10 in a row next year.

Stephen Cluxton is third in the most Leinster wins with 15, just behind Meath.

Great attendance of just under 50K. Majority Dublin fans.  I would say 80/20. A shockingly bad day with heavey rain.

Biggest concern is the injury to James McCarthy, irreplaceable.

Meath were doing quite well before he went off, so not exactly irreplaceable.

Thtas true but what i meant was to the Dublin team and the rest of the championship, he is a driving force behind this team.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Armagh- Round 3 Qualifier
« on: June 24, 2019, 02:54:26 PM »
The " look at us, arnt we great brigade" will find it difficult against Armagh.

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No 4 x 4 on the N7 for this. Fancy Kildare.

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No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen when money is involved, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

Probably right with the soccer, bad example, The Dubs are Killkenny of the noughties.

thanks

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No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

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Well done Dublin, another historical milestone, a great performance in terrible conditions and did it with honour abnd pride in the competion. Meath good in parts except for their shooting and final third play. good tackling and hard hits was done well for the majority of the game. I never get tired of winning and beating our closest neighbour and rival. Hoping for 10 in a row next year.

Stephen Cluxton is third in the most Leinster wins with 15, just behind Meath.

Great attendance of just under 50K. Majority Dublin fans.  I would say 80/20. A shockingly bad day with heavey rain.

Biggest concern is the injury to James McCarthy, irreplaceable.








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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: June 17, 2019, 02:36:32 PM »
Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.

Sure there is nothing to defend.

As highlighted above, The one i would like to see in caps on expenditure of inter county teams or all teams recieve the same allocated amount from Croke Park per month, year, competition etc.



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GAA Discussion / Re: split the dubs in 4
« on: June 14, 2019, 01:35:56 PM »
Dublin I would say is one of the least supported county teams in Ireland.  36000 (assume 25000 Dublin supporters is less than 2% of the population of greater Dublin) for a Leinster semi final were most supporters can get walk, hop on a bus, the dart, luas to Croke Park is very low compared to say Leitrim bringing 10000 (1 in 3 people) to the division 4 league final.

This is also correct, there is a hardcore fooball support of about 15-25K, it varies, then you will have the selective match fan, then you have the event junkies.

Thats why when the Spawell stadium was in discussion, it was only a capicity of 25K.

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GAA Discussion / Re: split the dubs in 4
« on: June 14, 2019, 01:31:55 PM »
Rovers play Bohs tonight, Derby game loads of interest....4 Inter-county teams in Dublin would similarly generate a lot of interest. County DLRD would be hated immediately by the other three counties.

Saw this on Wiki

Quote
Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown (Irish: Dún Laoghaire–Ráth an Dúin[2]) is a county in Ireland. It is part of the Dublin Region in the province of Leinster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BAn_Laoghaire%E2%80%93Rathdown

To the Dublin GAA community and hardcore support, there will only be one team, personally i would never support a Dublin regional team, if it was split id pack in the support, focus more on club.

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GAA Discussion / Re: split the dubs in 4
« on: June 14, 2019, 01:29:51 PM »
how many new GAA clubs have been established in Dublin since 2001?
clubs are actually folding or amalgamating

The last big senior  club started in Dublin was Castleknock. 1998. There are smaller clubs formed in junior level like Ranelagh gaels i think founded around 2003.

There is a lot of amalgamting at underage level due to player numbers, nothing at adult level although there is talk of certain clubs coming together, our country cousins tend to keep clubs afloat at adult level.





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GAA Discussion / Re: split the dubs in 4
« on: June 14, 2019, 01:24:03 PM »
When did Fingal hurlers stop competing in the NHL? And why?

2013, not sure why it was discontinued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingal_hurling_team

Anyone remember the South Down hurling team trialled during the same peirod?

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