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At the moment, Ulster and Connaught seem the weakest.
But if Armagh/Tyrone and Galway end up in the final we will all think differently!

Good one.  There are better teams in Ulster than in Leinster - the like of Armagh, Derry, Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan would beat all the sides in Leinster on their day including Dublin.

Now that is a wind up, well done sir. Either that or you've just returned from backpacking around outer Mongolia.

last weeks game was a highly intensive affair and all nmayo really did wrong was for the 7th time this year was fail to win a game that was their for the taking. )ironically the only game they did do it in was Vs Kerry)
If we solved all the problems brought up here wed win the next 10 sam Maguire s no Problems and Maybe a few Liam Mccarthys too
holding your own against another top team does not speak of a team with deep fundemental problem or have most of the players 'not good enough' all all ther other shite i  have seen on these pages .
The Mayo senior team is as ever a work in progress who with proper management are fit for all the best teams in the country.
what amazes me is the continued support for O'mahony when its obvious that it is the lack of umph and verve that only a good manger can provide
Lets get away from negative and can any one Provide Positive reasons based on his current term Why JOM sould stay in the Job???

Rosnarun did JOM slight you at some stage in the past? In one breath you say there was little wrong with the performance against Tyrone (who you think will beat Dublin) and in the next you're amazed at the support for JOM. You also claim it is rubbish to suggest the Mayo players aren't good enough because they are competitive against most of the top teams. Well Mayo have been beaten by Galway in Connacht for the last two years and knocked out by Derry and Tyrone. They have been hammered by Kerry in their last 3 championship meetings and beaten by Donegal in the NFL final and if you go further back you'll find a similar pattern. Mayo have done nothing these past 5 years to suggest they are better than Derry, Monaghan, Cork, Galway, Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Meath and probably a few more and they definately can't compete with Kerry or Dublin (now). So Mayo will for the foreseeable future be an All Ireland QF level team, regardless of who manages them. They might do a bit better depending on the draw, a bit of luck in the QF or a big performance out of one or two players.

For as long as I've been on this board which covers Mayo's last 3 managers, Mayo posters have bitched and moaned about the manager while rarely putting the players under the microscope. All any manager can do is get his squad playing as close to their potential as possible, he'll never get 100% but he must try to get close, IMO JOM is doing that. It's hardly his fault if IC players can't take easy scoring opportunities when they arise as was the case in both Mayo's losses this year.

Lads Kerry were poor against Clare, brutal against Cork in the second half and only decent against Monaghan with the game turning on two goal chances. Galway are strong down the spine (midfield excluded) and Kerry have their problems too. Declan O'Sullivan was poor last week, the Gooch isn't firing on all cylinders, Tommy Walsh will be some player but he is still young, Donnacha Walsh isn't up to this standard IMO. There are question marks about the Kerry midfield and Adian O'Mahoney is the only Kerry back in line for an All Star at the moment IMO. Galway won't fear Kerry and like Kerry they tend to kick on when they get to Croke Park, so while Kerry are deserved favourites I wouldn't share the pessimisim of some Galway posters.

Galway Team V Kerry, 2 changes, Conroy in for Nicky and more surprisingly Lydon in for Coleman? Bit unexpected? 

1 Paul Doherty Tuam Stars   
2 Garreth Bradshaw Maigh Cuilinn   
3 Finian Hanley Salthill Knocknacarra   
4 Damien Burke Corofin   
5 Niall Coyne Carna Caiseal   
6 Diarmuid Blake Milltown   
7 Gary Sice Corofin   
8 Barry Cullinane Claregalway   
9 Mark Lydon Maigh Cuilinn   
10 Cormac Bane Caherlistrane   
11 Padraic Joyce Killererin Capt
12 Paul Conroy St James   
13 Matthew Clancy Oughterard   
14 Michael Meehan Caltra   
15 Fiachra Breathnach Leitir Mor

That's a decent looking team on paper and IMO will give Kerry a right good rattle if they can live with intensity of the game.

It's very easy to use the ball and work players cadio systems during any training session and I'm sure most county teams are doing this. The problem is a lot of county players don't do enough on their own to improve their own weaknesses.

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Tyrone v Dublin
Cork v Kildare
Armagh v Wexford
Galway v Kerry

Pretty confident on all four.

I would agree with DYL here and like him I'd be confident. If there is to be an upset I think the Armagh game is the most likely one, it's hard to know how good Armagh or Wexford are.

I don't know why everyone seems to think this is a bad draw for Galway if they are good enough they can win it, if they are not they may as well be beaten next weekend. I think Galway have a great chance though they may need to come up with a plan to win more of their own kickouts.

I've seen a fair bit of Seamus O'Shea at U21 and Sigerson level and he'll never make a senior IC midfielder IMO. Sorry if I'm coming across as anti-Mayo lads but I just don't think ye are realistic about the quality of player available to you. The real question is why Mayo don't produce more quality players, not decent players but players of the quality that Kerry mass produce. 

[quoteZulu its bull to say that Dillon is the only player that we have.][/quote]

I didn't say that Barney, the point I'm making is most of the Mayo players are decent IC footballers rather than very good ones and you need at least 3 or 4 of those if you are going to beat the best. Lar Naparka you refer to the U21 AI winning side but both Cork and Laois have had a number of very good U21 sides recently yet if I mentioned them as potential AI winners many would laugh at me. The point I'm making is Mayo are doing ok for the talent they have, Mayo are good enough to compete with most teams but not good enough to beat the top 5 or 6 on a regular basis IMO.

I think Cavan won most of their titles before the troubles began so I'm not sure you have much of a point.

Wexford don't have diabolical backs, Wexford beat a Down team that beat Tyrone and ran Armagh fairly close (and all this after a Leinster final humilation) so they must be alright. IMO only Dublin and Kerry are 'outstanding' teams at the moment, the rest are more or less of a similar standard. Ulster is a province full of decent teams but no great team.

I think Dublin will win this by 3-4 points, they have a really impressive forward line, a good midfield and decent backs. And IMO Tyrone's best day's are behind them, I have seen nothing this year to suggest that Tyrone can live with Dublin and I expect a Dublin/Kerry final to transpire.

I think Cork will win this by 3-4 points but be much the better team. Kildare's workrate and defensive nature will keep the score down but Cork will dominate and be much the better team. IMO Cork are one of the best teams in the country and will prove this in the next 2-3 years by winning an AI.

Sorry zulu, but when the best centre-back is played out of position at no 4 maybe the management have to take a bit of a look at themselves.

I only caught bits and pieces of the game at work yesterday so I'm not sure who you are talking about (Howley I presume) but Mayo didn't lose because of that. Parsons shooting, Mortimer's missed goal chance and the inability of Mayo players in general to kick easy scores when on top were crucial.

We re not talking about winning Sam. But making progress and getting the most out of players available  was something we expected management to achieve. 2 years into the job with a talented group of players he fails against an average Galway team at home as well as a declining Tyrone team that are only a patch on their former selves. Both failures largely down to poor selection and tactical cluelessness.

I think you are being harsh on Galway there Moysider, but tell me this who should the management have played and what tactics should they have used? IMO a lack of quality forwards is killing Mayo not any real deficencies in the management.

Lads ye need a reality check, Mayo didn't win yesterday and haven't won Sam in the last few years because ye haven't got the players. It has little or nothing to do with management and everything to with the talent available to you, the bottom line is you don't have any top class scoring forward, midfield player, centre back or full back.