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GAA Discussion / Re: Underage structures
« on: September 19, 2017, 06:38:13 PM »
The idea behind the U17 is to prevent underage county or club games impacting on adult club games. I think that makes a lot of sense, no point in adult competitions being held up by one or two lads being on a county minor team.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Underage structures
« on: September 19, 2017, 06:18:47 PM »
There is a proposal for all counties to go to U13, 15 etc. Counties who already have U12, 13, 14, 15 etc. will keep both but the proposal is for those who only have the old system will have to change if the proposal is passed. Feile will change too as far as I know if successful.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 17, 2017, 07:29:04 AM »
Though Dublin are the better team and squad I think Mayo match up well and can win. Mayo need a bit more to go right than Dublin to win but I think they can bring Dublin to a place that will make them uncomfortable. Mayo to win.

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General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: September 15, 2017, 04:31:48 PM »
What a bunch of sc**bag kids.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 15, 2017, 01:01:39 PM »
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.

Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.

But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.

Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~800,000/ annum poorly spent.

The GPO's don't turn kids into great players but they do help increase participation and therefore increase the pool of talent. Dublin has a population of 1.5 million and the GAA needs at least 50 GPO's working in that type of population centre. We can and should be increasing the number in other counties but are there clubs in other counties willing to pay half the salary? Is that what other counties even require or are they getting as many players from the schools as they'd likely get anyway?

On the actual game which should be epic, I think Mayo have a great chance. You can't drop off the Dubs and expect to win but Mayo will engage all over the pitch and not give the Dubs the time to use their undoubted skills. I think Mayo will need a goal or two but Dublin will be reintroduced to championship football this Sunday and that might be too much for some.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 14, 2017, 01:05:26 PM »
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?

Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?

Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!

So?

Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.

Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.

Never suggested otherwise. The cars they're driving will have no bearing on it.

So why is it being discussed? The two best teams in Ireland are meeting Sunday in what should be a great game yet who provides each team with sponsored cars is the topic of discussion?

Both teams are getting huge funding and high level professional support and the winner will be decided by the footballers on the pitch.

I don't know! I only joined the topic (same as yourself) to clarify that some Mayo players are driving sponsored cars, I didn't start the discussion. 
Don't bring up the funding issue for Jaysis sake, aren't we getting on grand without throwing that grenade into the mix!

But funding is the discussion. It shouldn't be but it is. Pity we can't talk football a few days before the biggest game of the year with two of the best teams in the past 20 years going head to head.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:57:11 PM »
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?

Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?

Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!

So?

Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.

Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.

Never suggested otherwise. The cars they're driving will have no bearing on it.

So why is it being discussed? The two best teams in Ireland are meeting Sunday in what should be a great game yet who provides each team with sponsored cars is the topic of discussion?

Both teams are getting huge funding and high level professional support and the winner will be decided by the footballers on the pitch.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:51:09 PM »
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?

Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?

Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!

So?

Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.

Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:44:33 PM »
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?

Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?

Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!

So?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Where now for Tyrone?
« on: September 07, 2017, 05:08:45 PM »
tyrone may have won ulster but i actually think we were better last year. ulster is crap at the minute longford no disrespect beat down and monaghan last year. tyrone will not win another sam under mr conservative. hes the cheaper option at the minute for a team thats going to be rudderless next year on the pitch with all the old heads gone.

As bad as you say Ulster is, it still had 5 of the last 12 in the Championship this season.

There's a big gap between Dublin, Mayo Kerry and Tyrone - the results over the past three years have shown that and it's widened in that time rather than narrowed. And there's a big gap now opening up between Dublin and the rest, to be fair to Mayo they have competed admirably against Dublin and have never feared them but if Dublin go out and win the final with more comfort this time round, it's very worrying for the future of the game.

People who continually moan about defensive systems and style of football really get my back up. The All Ireland is competitive football, it is not exhibition football, teams are going about themselves in the way that they best believe can make them successful or competitive at the least. It goes without saying Dublin are a fearsome side, but with the advantages they have in terms of resources -financial and playing numbers, local employment, Croke Park being their de facto home ground.

The real death knell about about gaelic football right now is one side which always had superior natural advantages which no other side can come close to matching have managed to get their structures in order and as a result will dominate for time to come.

So those lamenting defensive football can shove it, it's something that's been borne out of bigger problem.

That's nonsense in fairness. Sport the world over can be played competitively and entertainingly, it doesn't have to be dross to be competitive. I hate the way Tyrone play as it's awful to watch but I can understand Carlow or the like playing it but when Tyrone play like that against teams inferior to them then the sport itself is damaged. Earlier in the year the likes of yourself and some others were telling us all that at least the Ulster counties don't roll over and have a defensive plan to stifle the Dubs, well that proved to be the nonsense some of us told you it was.

We've already seen this year that football played properly is still a wonderful spectacle, the best in world sport for my money. Tyrone can compete playing more expansive football, you've some of the best players in Ireland, and if you back yourselves then you'll compete with anyone. You mightn't beat the Dubs too often but you'll never again beat them playing 14 behind the ball so surely it's better to entertain your fans on the journey?

You must be completely misunderstanding my point.

Just try and play open football with Dublin at the minute and they will blow you apart. The pace, size and power they have across the pitch is impossible to deal with.

Trying to remain competitive has changed many counties hands when it comes to the style of football they play. I'm sure every county would love to play open attacking football but the gulf is getting so wide that by playing with mass defence they may at least have some chance or some hope.

Defensive football is not ruining the sport, the near on professional attitude of the top counties supported by big resources is what's doing it and nobody can compete with the natural advantages Dublin have here.

Take your head out of the sand.


Correct. Even the wonderful purists from Kerry put in place a "negative" and hard hitting defensive system to defeat Dublin in the league final. Wing backs playing in the forwards and the likes. The game is what it is and everything is biased against defenders (4 step rule not enforced, soft frees given, diving rewarded etc) so the only answer against very good attackers is to try and crowd them out. It's ok against most teams as their skill levels are lower and they'll muck it up themselves but the likes of Tyrone are preparing for the better sides so play the system all the time.

Disagree. I never said Tyrone would beat Dublin playing more conventional but it would give them a better chance. Kerry didn't play a very defensive system in the league final and won. Mayo don't play a very defensive system and push Dublin to the limit every time. Good teams, like Tyrone, have a better chance making McMahon, Cooper and McCaffrey do a bit of defending rather than giving Dublin the ball all day and dying by a thousand cuts.

Tyrone are good enough to play more positively and be successful. They won't necessarily win an All Ireland or even beat the top teams but they have a better (or at least as good) chance of doing so playing more conventionally.

We haven't had 6 forwards staying in their positions for over 30 years so we aren't talking about that. However, if anyone still thinks getting 14 behind the ball will win you games against good teams then they don't understand what they are seeing. All teams will start playing the ball around the defensive structure and probe with patience from now on and while some still won't be good enough to win, it won't be just Dublin picking apart defensive teams anymore.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Where now for Tyrone?
« on: September 07, 2017, 09:47:38 AM »
tyrone may have won ulster but i actually think we were better last year. ulster is crap at the minute longford no disrespect beat down and monaghan last year. tyrone will not win another sam under mr conservative. hes the cheaper option at the minute for a team thats going to be rudderless next year on the pitch with all the old heads gone.

As bad as you say Ulster is, it still had 5 of the last 12 in the Championship this season.

There's a big gap between Dublin, Mayo Kerry and Tyrone - the results over the past three years have shown that and it's widened in that time rather than narrowed. And there's a big gap now opening up between Dublin and the rest, to be fair to Mayo they have competed admirably against Dublin and have never feared them but if Dublin go out and win the final with more comfort this time round, it's very worrying for the future of the game.

People who continually moan about defensive systems and style of football really get my back up. The All Ireland is competitive football, it is not exhibition football, teams are going about themselves in the way that they best believe can make them successful or competitive at the least. It goes without saying Dublin are a fearsome side, but with the advantages they have in terms of resources -financial and playing numbers, local employment, Croke Park being their de facto home ground.

The real death knell about about gaelic football right now is one side which always had superior natural advantages which no other side can come close to matching have managed to get their structures in order and as a result will dominate for time to come.

So those lamenting defensive football can shove it, it's something that's been borne out of bigger problem.

That's nonsense in fairness. Sport the world over can be played competitively and entertainingly, it doesn't have to be dross to be competitive. I hate the way Tyrone play as it's awful to watch but I can understand Carlow or the like playing it but when Tyrone play like that against teams inferior to them then the sport itself is damaged. Earlier in the year the likes of yourself and some others were telling us all that at least the Ulster counties don't roll over and have a defensive plan to stifle the Dubs, well that proved to be the nonsense some of us told you it was.

We've already seen this year that football played properly is still a wonderful spectacle, the best in world sport for my money. Tyrone can compete playing more expansive football, you've some of the best players in Ireland, and if you back yourselves then you'll compete with anyone. You mightn't beat the Dubs too often but you'll never again beat them playing 14 behind the ball so surely it's better to entertain your fans on the journey?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time now to reflect on the best gaelic team ever.
« on: September 04, 2017, 03:57:29 PM »
Ok, so you don't know. I can't say I can recall the ins and outs of all the ladies games played over the past 8 or 9 years but I'm pretty sure all the top IC teams are working as hard as their opponents.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time now to reflect on the best gaelic team ever.
« on: September 04, 2017, 12:03:30 PM »
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.

I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.

Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.

Ass.

Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.

It was all the response your comment was worth.
So, no answers. You're confirming my already low impression of you as a poster.

Women's GAA has a problem in terms of media coverage. It's patronising, fawning and deeply uncritical. It's treated in the media as the sporting equivalent of a charity case.

It's because of media coverage like this and patronising, uncritical attitudes like yours that the games continue to be very mediocre.

Compare that to the coverage of Ireland's women's Rugby World Cup campaign, was was rightly deeply critical of the team and management.

One is treated as sport, the other is treated as charity.


Your analysis is typical of those who see international sport as superior simply by token of the fact that it is more widely played.

It is amazing to see that a number of Ladies GAA inter-county players with no background in rugby could with two or three years effort transition to the Irish international rugby team. I sincerely doubt that the opposite could happen.

Why do you think that?

I would think plenty of the Irish women's rugby team and certainly plenty of the Irish women's association football team could quite easily make the transition to Gaelic football.

The bottom line is, Cork have won 11 of the last 12 All-Irelands because they were more organised and trained harder than other teams, not because of any inherent advantage in natural talent.

Women's football is still at that stage, the same stage men's Gaelic football was in the 1970s, when Kerry and Dublin dominated because they trained harder than other teams.

Can you tell me how you know Cork were more organised and trained harder than Dublin, Mayo, Monaghan, Donegal etc.?

Plenty of ladies footballers play or played international soccer, rugby or basketball so if they are impressive athletes when playing for Ireland they must be when playing for their county.

You're entitled to your opinion, and ladies football is not currently at the same level as men's but your criticism is way over the top and doesn't stand up to any real scrutiny.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time now to reflect on the best gaelic team ever.
« on: September 03, 2017, 12:50:15 PM »
You've spouted this rubbish before. Can you please point me to the critical ladies rugby coverage and the benign ladies football coverage? The GAA coverage is usually less savage as it's amateur and more local but it's bollox to say coverage of ladies GAA is patronising or fawning.
I made a post last year rightly criticising the standard of women's GAA.

Instead of people actually engaging with the reality, people just went into a huff and embarrassed themselves in their reactions.

I can point you to the critical coverage of women's rugby. It was on RTE's live coverage of the recent World Cup where Fiona Steed and Lynne Cantwell provided extensive expert analysis. They didn't spare any feelings and treated the event as a serious sporting competition with analysis befitting of such, which made the whole thing a much better spectacle for the viewer. I've never seen that happen with women's GAA.

Malachy Clerkin made this point in a column.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/rt%C3%A9-panel-s-forensic-analysis-good-for-irish-women-s-rugby-1.3185259

With women's GAA we get nothing but plamasing which treats the viewer as a child - we don't get serious analysis, we get guff from Des Cahill and Cyril Farrell refusing to ever point out the shocking mistakes which so regularly happen, we get the nonsense of "they train just as hard as the men" and "that was better than the vast majority of men's matches".

All they're missing is sticking a little star on the players chests and giving them a pat on the head as if they were at a kid's summer camp.

They still wear skirts in camogie, for fook's sake.

No, you posted complete rubbish claiming other female sports were proper sports or some such nonsense despite the fact that many international Irish teams are littered with footballers. I watched Mayo v Cork last night and it was excellent with a number of players showing incredible athleticism. You claimed ladies footballers couldn't solo for Christ sake and anyone watching yesterdays game would know what utter rubbish that statement is.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Roddy Doyle says the GAA is a bit of a con
« on: September 03, 2017, 12:34:27 PM »
If that was all it was Jinxy you wold be correct but it wasn't just that. He said people only watch a GAA while there's no soccer on and it was a con job. I think that deserves to be challenged as it's clearly rubbish. If he just said he wasn't a fan then fair enough.
But that is the case with a lot of people.

And so fooking what?

No it's not. I've lived in a few different counties and I can't recall anyone who watched GAA as a stop gap until the soccer returned. Some were bigger soccer fans than GAA fans but none just watched GAA because   there was no soccer.
You haven't met many people, so.

There are even quite a lot of people nowadays who watch sport mainly as a vehicle for betting.

I'm not saying there are none but Doyle claimed most people are just killing time in the summer watching GAA until the soccer is back, that's patently rubbish.

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