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GAA Discussion / Re: Diving in our game
« on: February 19, 2018, 06:04:55 PM »
Whether he did or didn't feign injury, the 'grabbed the wrong part of his head' theory always puzzles me.
I've seen lads immediately grab their face after getting a bad bang on the back of the head.

Really? Can't say I've ever seen that myself. I've never seen a guy hit in the back of the head never put his hand on the area even just to check for a cut or something. On top of that, if there was contact to the head, it wasn't a bad bang so holding your face and never even giving the back of the head a rub seems entirely unnatural to me.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Diving in our game
« on: February 19, 2018, 06:01:24 PM »
But Zulu, never mind apologists. Ray Silke called the man out on Twitter but will happily ignore his own clubmen doing it.
If we are calling it out we need to all call it out. We can't just attack the opposition when one of your own is doing it too.
As I said in the first half, not long after the red, a Corofin man went down holding his face when hit in the chest.
What's the difference in terms of the player's actions??

Agree 100%, all of it should be called out.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Diving in our game
« on: February 19, 2018, 03:20:04 PM »
Not sure what angle you're looking at mup but I think it's very clear there was no contact and even if there was it was to the back on the head behind the ear. At no point did he put his hand to the area he might have been hit and instead put his hands to his face. His reaction is totally unnatural to the bang he might have got but almost certainly didn't.

While the carry on of players is an embarrassment the behaviour of supporters is worse. We have long been apologists for players feigning injury and exaggerating the level of pain when they do get a bit of a hit. We are creating the environment where this stuff is becoming acceptable. I soccer, a guy who dives to win a free is no longer diving if there 'was contact'. That's BS and we are going down the same road.

Not having a go at you mup by the way, just commenting on a general trend that isn't helping our game.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: January 30, 2018, 05:23:35 PM »
Zulu without spending much time on solutions, I have a life, I gave you these last year

1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL with this overspend tax again going to the other counties.

That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.

Again, that's fine and again I think there are issues with those solutions but that's what we should be talking about not having people moaning about Dublin whether they win by 1 point or 10. I expect Kerry to win an All Ireland in the next three years, other counties should be able to match Kerry or Mayo at least, why aren't they?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: January 30, 2018, 05:19:34 PM »
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but thereís no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if thereís nothing they can do. I donít buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge Iíve no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

There are issues with that but that's what we need to discuss. Nobody wants to have a one horse sport but there's no easy solution and the GAA is in a difficult spot.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: January 30, 2018, 05:16:40 PM »
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but thereís no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if thereís nothing they can do. I donít buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge Iíve no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

When is the last time Mayo or Kerry have beaten Dublin in championship? You sure are one for the Blinkers!

Blinkers, did you see the word 'matched'? Mayo hit the post from a free to lead with minutes to go in the All Ireland final and you don't think they are matching them? By the way when was the last time Leitrim beat Mayo in the championship? Once you answer that please point me to your belly aching posts about Mayo's advantages re Leitrim?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: January 30, 2018, 05:12:58 PM »
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM »
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but thereís no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if thereís nothing they can do. I donít buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge Iíve no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: January 30, 2018, 11:43:35 AM »
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.

2. This was successful and we have seen them reap the rewards. Now that they are better at tapping into the vast population they have they are better than counties with a tenth (or less) of their population.

If Dublin are getting a disproportionate amount of central GAA funding which could be given to other counties then that should be changed. Not sure what else can be justifiably changed.

Both Kerry and Mayo are showing what can be done with the right foundations and counties like Meath, Kildare, Donegal etc. have the population and financial ability to compete better than they currently are.

Splitting Dublin is both a non-runner and daft. If we go down that road then we should create all teams equal, why argue we should clip Dublin's wings to help Mayo compete better but not Mayo's to allow Longford or Leitrim compete better with them?

Can those complaining about Dublin please tell us what should be done to avoid this armageddon they claim is coming?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Michael Lyster's imminent retirement
« on: January 28, 2018, 07:55:52 PM »
Dara O Cinneide.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 2018 NFL Division 2
« on: January 27, 2018, 06:16:03 PM »
Fine game in Cork. Tipp kicking for home but a Cork goal keeps them in it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tax breaks for intercounty footballers
« on: January 12, 2018, 05:59:02 PM »
Fantasy stuff. If Ä40 million is being spent on IC teams at the moment then the money for preparation alone would double (at least) for full time squads. Add in wages for players and staff, upgrading home venues and maintaining training facilities etc. and the annual cost of maintaining a professional game would be astronomical. You donít care about reality though as you just want to rant and rave about the sky falling in. We canít address our real issues when people focus on imaginary boogeymen.


Sligo spent over Ä1m on county teams last year. That's on record, in their financial results. There are 32 counties. Most are bigger than Sligo. Some have very high level teams in both codes. It's a fair assumption that most counties spend more than Sligo. So I'd say Ä40M is a very conservative estimate and that's based on what's paid officially through the books.

To me this wouldn't be the sky falling in. I'd welcome it as it would be much more honest and workable than the shite and lies that goes on presently. So I'm not sure what you're on about with boogeymen. I couldn't care less if it's financially viable....I just want it to be up front and honest with everything on the table. What's happening nowadays is not viable and that's for certain sure. I'm more concerned about the 99%, rather than the privileged elite that the entire association is being run for.

You've lost me now, so your not saying we are going professional? What's not up front, you've just quoted the figures for Sligo so what's been hidden. If you don't like what's going on then fine but there's no logic in claiming we are going professional when it would be a massively difficult transition.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tax breaks for intercounty footballers
« on: January 12, 2018, 02:24:02 PM »
Fantasy stuff. If Ä40 million is being spent on IC teams at the moment then the money for preparation alone would double (at least) for full time squads. Add in wages for players and staff, upgrading home venues and maintaining training facilities etc. and the annual cost of maintaining a professional game would be astronomical. You donít care about reality though as you just want to rant and rave about the sky falling in. We canít address our real issues when people focus on imaginary boogeymen.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tax breaks for intercounty footballers
« on: January 12, 2018, 01:41:34 PM »
We can all try predict the future but to be taken seriously it needs to be based in some reality. Even a brief consideration of the issues would lead any sane person to the conclusion that a professional GAA would be highly unlikely. Nobody has ever been able to provide a detailed plan for how a professional GAA would be sustainable. So rant away if you want to but donít be surprised when your BS is called out.

GPA apologist, Jesus wept.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tax breaks for intercounty footballers
« on: January 12, 2018, 01:33:18 PM »
Do you wear your red baseball cap with the slogan ĎMake the GAA Great Againí in that field?

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