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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA clubs named after Republican figures
« on: November 01, 2018, 12:08:52 PM »
This seems fairly inaccurate from what I have read. The GAA were intrinsically linked to revolutionary activity from it's set up to the Easter rising and beyond. It may have over stated it's official role over time but there were many IRA men playing county GAA and a number of Collins squad (in Dublin) were GAA men.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 06, 2018, 12:20:32 AM »

Why would the GPA be balloting members to dissolve County squads?

The GPA don't ballot members on dissolving county squads.

 

What they do do however is have their members complete a survey every year where they are asked if professionalism means that there will no longer be an intercounty structure are they in favour of professionalism (GPA are savvy, the realise a 32 team structure for professionalism is an impossibility).

 

For now the answer has always been no but one day that no will turn into a yes and then we will likely see a ballot on strike if the GAA don't immediately agree to discussions on a professionlism.

Caprea, this seems to be your hobby horse but you've never once made a cogent argument as how or why it would happen.

I see no reason why a majority of IC players would vote in favour of professionalism. I've no doubt a majority would like to be professional GAA players but why would a majority vote for it?

If the county system had to be scrapped in favour of, lets say, 10 regional professional teams then why would the majority of division 3 and 4 players or division 1 and 2 squad players vote for it when the vast majority wouldn't make a professional franchise squad? They'd basically be voting themselves out of the dance.


Why would any IC player 25 years or older vote for it? By the time the fine details were ironed out (3 years minimum) most would be at or near the end of their playing career. So they'd be striking for something they'd not get any benefit from. Can't see many lads risk their career, not to mention the unholy shit storm they'd face day to day just so some of the current minor team might make a living out of GAA.


In the event the GAA did go pro would a 27 year old doctor/accountant/engineer/business owner etc. decide to put their career on hold to go pro in the GAA? Some probably would but many wouldn't.

And even if they did go on strike, what cards would they hold?

Players: pay us or we don't play.

GAA: Right lads, don't play. Others will and if not we'll focus on clubs.

Players: We'll form our own breakaway professional GAA.

GAA: No bother lads, but you'll not have access to any pitches or GAA facilities anywhere in Ireland.

Players: Errr.....right......ahhh

There's just no leverage for the players, support from the wider GAA or the ability to sustain a professional sport here longterm.



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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 14, 2018, 12:38:38 PM »
I know this was nothing new, but the stuff on Mass and the Rosary for me is something that the Tyrone CB should be looking very strongly at.  Totally inappropriate given the message it sends out to those with other faiths and none, that have an interest in playing Gaelic Football.
Noticed an reference to this elsewhere, so took a quick look to see what the reaction was on this forum.

Frankly, I'm shocked - though not surprised - that this particular aspect of Cavanagh's book doesn't merit a thread of its own (or at least some comment from more than one or two individuals).

I mean, is no-one else astonished, even outraged, that a team manager could get away with imposing his personal religious leanings on an entire team, to the exclusion of those who may feel differently?

i read a lot of stuff about sledging and foul play etc, but there is at least some possible redress (referee) or comeback (retaliation) to those things, but what can someone on the Tyrone panel who doesn't agree say or do to this? Speak out and never play for the county again?

And all that's BEFORE you get to the context of sport and society in  NI.

Could you imagine the shitstorm if eg the Linfield manager required his players eg to take part in some sort of Orange Order parade, or British armed forces commemoration, or attend a Free Presbyterian service?

It would be roundly and publicly condemned, with the governing body clamping down immediately, and QUITE RIGHTLY too, imo. In fact, it's unthinkable. (And I say that as someone who pretty much despises Linfield, btw).

"GAA For All (Protestants need not apply)"

Those aren't accurate comparisons - I'd say an accurate comparison would be attending a church service, and the comparisons you've chosen are telling about you, but your general point is valid. (On a slight tangent though, weren't Irish league players forced to take part in a ceremony and have an anthem they don't recognise as theirs played as though it were recently??)

I don't see it as a big imposition at all, but nonetheless everyone should have their own free choice - I haven't seen any evidence yet that they didn't. If anyone went to MH and said, I'm not comfortable, do you really think they would have suffered repercussions re selection? I doubt it very much. It would seem noone involved had an issue (Unlike the Irish league example I mentioned earlier actually).

The majority of Irish catholics are brought up with the ritual of mass, when they have their own free choice they'll all attend weddings, funerals, mass at easter/christmas, for whatever reason. A mass before games in this context isn't a big deal. Irish catholicism isn't taken that seriously, its just a routine for many, and I think thats the context it needs to be taken in. its not forcing your religious views onto others, as it is being portrayed.

I think you missed the point there.
Most Irish catholics wouldn't have a major problem with it. But What about somebody who isn't catholic? It's a pretty big deal to anyone of any other religion (or no religion).  It could certainly be viewed as 'forcing' your catholic views onto non catholics.
Obviously, we don't know how much 'forcing' was done, but all managers want players to do things as a team. Therefore it's likely that everyone was strongly encouraged to go as a team!

I'm not missing the point. The players were all from a catholic background. The hypothetical situation you describe didn't occur. If it had, I'm sure it would have been dealt with in the proper manner. MH would of course have been aware of the situation and adjusted accordingly. He is there to build bonds and win matches, not convert people to catholicism.

At the end of the day, this was something willingly partaken in by a group of people comfortable with the environment they were in. What we now have is people outside that environment theorising about what took place, or could have took place, or how players probably weren't comfortable but weren't able to say anything....none of which I believe for a second.

And of course, it could be noted that if there was an issue the captain should surely be the person to bring that up with the management team at the time. Instead he sniped about it later, and hasn't chosen to point out that everyone seemed satisfied with the arrangement (if there'd been any murmurings you can bet he'd have written about them!)


You don't know that to be the case yet your saying others are theorising, surely you're just doing the same. I doubt very much that 30 odd twentysomethings in any Gaelic football squad are practicing Catholics and believe in God. Personally I'd be very annoyed in that was asked of me in a team setting and I think many younger players/fringe players etc. would feel they may not be able to raise their concerns. Harte is in a position of Tyrone GAA authority and a religious man himself, he shouldn't have mixed them together. It was totally out of order IMO.

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GAA Discussion / Re: AI minor football championship
« on: September 02, 2018, 02:15:20 PM »
Very good game between two high quality teams.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Hurling puts football in the shade
« on: August 19, 2018, 05:22:54 PM »
What.A.Game.

Thought it was very poor bar the last 10 minutes or so.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 05:16:03 PM »
Congratulations Limerick.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 05:11:15 PM »
Well limerick have done their best to throw it away but might have enough to see it out now.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 05:01:20 PM »
Thatís it now.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 04:34:13 PM »
Galway showing nothing to suggest theyíll put up a fight. This could be a cakewalk for limerick as Galway are incredibly poor today.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 04:13:33 PM »
Though limerick should be further ahead I thought when Galway played a bit they looked better and if they can find a bit of form in the second half theyíll go on and win it. Need a good few lads to step up though.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 04:08:51 PM »
There was nothing wrong with that shoulder to the face they say ;D

Glynn was coming out with the ball and he ran into him square. He made no attempt to hit Glynn with a shoulder either. Got a free through his own stupidity.

Thatís called charging and a free out. Mind you how the ref left a blatant shoulder in the back go in the lead up to the goal Iíll never know.

A lad running square into your shoulder is called charging? Interesting.

Glynn has moved out of FF and three backs have now bombed two down in on top of... Conor Whelan.

Limerick could, and perhaps should, be out of sight at this stage.

If you wanted to show a textbook charge to someone youíd show Glynnís one. Duigan needs to read a rule book.

4 minutes of extra time with no subs now whereas 3 minutes of extra time at the end of the Monaghan Tyrone game. Strange.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: August 19, 2018, 03:56:23 PM »
There was nothing wrong with that shoulder to the face they say ;D

Glynn was coming out with the ball and he ran into him square. He made no attempt to hit Glynn with a shoulder either. Got a free through his own stupidity.

Thatís called charging and a free out. Mind you how the ref left a blatant shoulder in the back go in the lead up to the goal Iíll never know.

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Many 'high' tackles are harmless with contact on chest and the arm just moving up due to the momentum of the player in possession. The other thing lads do is fling themselves to ground, bend down to make a legitimate attempt to tackle turn into a high tackle and grab the arm before falling down. Don't think high tackling is a major issue and on the contrary lads are making a meal of harmless tackles, many quite legitimate. Diving is bad enough, if you could get a Peter Harte, Brian Fenton, Lee Keegan off the pitch for a tackle then we'd have way more diving than we already do.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Gaelic Football RIP
« on: August 14, 2018, 01:41:01 PM »
the sport is still the best in the world for me
Ahhhh!!! You canít say that. Iím offended. What is it with these Gaelic Football snobs having to come out with ridiculous statements like this?

 ;D ;D

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GAA Discussion / Re: Gaelic Football RIP
« on: August 14, 2018, 01:39:51 PM »
You know Jinxy that isn't a bad call at all. A lot of sports (soccer, American football, rugby, Aussie rules) have a set restart after a score so there's no reason we can't restart with a kick beyond the 45. While I enjoy watching keepers hit their man even if it's short it does lead to a running game. As you say, high fetching contests in the middle are one of the great things about our game.

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